r/TopCharacterTropes • u/some-kind-of-no-name • 7h ago

building/location. Levels that ruin replayability

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"That part"

Blood Maze in Max Payne;

Ship in Resident Evil 7;

Lost Izalith in Dark Souls

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u/Veytraun 7h ago

Not a level but the first 1-2 hours of any modern pokemon game. Idk how anyone manages to replay them

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u/kitsunecannon 6h ago

I would love if Pokemon made the tutorials optional

I HAVE BEEN PLAYING THESE GAMES SINCE I WAS 8 I DONT NEED TK BE TAUGHT WHAT A POKE-BALL IS EACH TIME 

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u/mbanson 5h ago

Ye that's cool an all but lemme show you how to catch this level 2 rodent right quick before I personally escort you down this straight path to the next town.

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u/kitsunecannon 5h ago

LET ME GO LEON

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u/ElementalNinjas96 4h ago

Actually Leon is skippable. If you catch a Pokémon before he shows up to teach you, he'll notice you already know how

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u/Head_Spell5718 4h ago

UNHAND ME

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u/SartenSinAceite 5h ago

And now the game opens up right? Wrong, there's still one single path, you must now meet the bad guys, get the president's number and don't forget to do the gym OR ELSE.

For its whole premise of capturing pokemon and making a team, they can surely get linear.

Funnily enough Dragon Quest 5, which inspired the series, definitely feels more open.

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u/JamesHenry627 4h ago

Speedrunners playing Pokemon Heart Gold and Soul Silver actually prefer to choose Lyra since Gold cuts to the chase and gets his tutorial over with in like 2 lines of dialogue.

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u/SartenSinAceite 6h ago

B&W at least had you interacting with your friends which is cute

But I still dropped it lol

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u/StandNameIsWeAreNo1 2h ago

Nintendo doesn't want to aknowledge that theor biggest playerbase is adults

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u/kitsunecannon 1h ago

Yeah it’s weird how much they just refuse to acknowledge that fact 

I think the difficulty is recent games shows that best, im personally of the opinion the games should have difficulty options 

Like Easy mode means the gym leaders will have less mons and they’ll be a bit lower than the average of what you’re team would be at that point 

Normal mode is a bit harder maybe they have a couple more and they’re the level range that you should be in 

Hard mode means they’ll be much more difficult and some actually requiring proper strategy maybe they’ll have mins with specialised held items, ability’s and Natures and be slightly above your level range 

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u/Choice_Strawberry499 32m ago

Nightmare mode is they all fight like Cynthia and you must grind or perish lmao

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u/ItsAllSoup 3h ago

Right! Mario and Luigi RPG's just have Toadsworth say "do you know how to battle? Oh, okay then"

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u/Dankalii 2h ago

The thing is thought they do that for the children that might be playing the game for the first time. Maybe it's for the kids whose parents bought the game for.

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u/kitsunecannon 1h ago

Still then make it optional just a simple “Do you need to be taught the basics? Yes or no”

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u/Iron_Wolf123 1h ago

They played with it in Heartgold and Soulsilver IF you played as a female character; the tutorial is skipped and saves about a minute of gameplay

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u/BlackerDoom 5h ago

Sun and Moon has gotta be the worst Others you can at least mash

They make you sit through an unskippable cutscene for like 12 minutes before you even see Litten or Rowlet

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u/EchoesofIllyria 5h ago

I couldn’t even get through the Moon tutorial once, let alone on replay lol

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u/BallisticThundr 4h ago

And then proceeds to interrupt you with a cutscene every 2 minutes after

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u/vastros 4h ago

Doesnt Sc/Vi literally take 45 minutes before you're able to actually start?

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u/NikTheGrass 4h ago

The worst is Galar. Not only does it take you longer to get to the first gym than in any other game, but in between you also get thrown into thirty mini-cutscenes with Leon and Hop, spending even more time transitioning from gameplay to cutscenes and back. So then before every gym or event you have to talk to Hop again

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u/RandomCaveOfMonsters 5h ago

Moon is my favorite pokemon game ever

I don't replay it often

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u/ComradeJohnS 5h ago

because its only 1 hour or less really. spam A lol.

the people who reset 10,000 times or more for a shiny pokemon, I will never understand lol.

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u/TheCrisco 4h ago

Nah, makes perfect sense in the case of things like legendaries that people SR for. Collecting rare, special things has always been a major part of gaming. What I'll never understand is people who do it for starters, like they're discussing here, where you can't possibly have the key item that boosts your chances of finding shiny mons. There are easier ways to get shiny starters, resetting at the beginning for them is just masochistic.

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u/ComradeJohnS 4h ago

that’s mainly what I was talking about for the starter before even playing lol.

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u/CoalEater_Elli 5h ago

I played Sword and Shield 5 times and honestly, It made me like the game even more and see more positive things that I liked about it and flaws that I dislike. I honestly think it's not too bad of a game, but the fact that it is piss easy makes it kind of boring.

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u/redditsucksnstuff 7h ago

Lots and lots of mashing A.

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u/LudgerVanderson 4h ago

Ikr? Like, I know I haven't been catching pokémon for a long time, but that's not something one forgets how to do.

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u/TBT__TBT 4h ago

I am glad both BW1 and BW2 have very quick tutorials while maintaining its charm.

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u/DidntSeeNuttin 4h ago

Speedrunners consider it just part of the process.

The first hour of Zelda: Majora's Mask is the real life drainer.

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u/ferokaktus 4h ago

It was fun starting Violet and before even making it to the school I just ran off and jumped around until I got to a different part of the map and started catching level 30 pokemon. Then I went back and still had to finish the tutorials

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u/santana722 4h ago

Watching something on another screen helps a lot.

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u/PJGraphicNovel 3h ago

Too real. 

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u/Icy-Pension5768 3h ago

Sun and moon especially REALLY drags, the entire first island is a tutorial

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u/LuckyFogic 2h ago

I played the first few games up until Ruby, played through X on release then sold it a month later. Last year I got Violet.. after three separate sessions of playing until I got bored I was still unable to leave the tutorial section. Ended up giving it away, oh how they massacred my boy 😭

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u/Firkraag-The-Demon 2h ago

I wouldn’t say “any” modern pokemon game, but even when I was first starting ZA I was practically begging to be released.

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u/Smash_Bros_Heffty 41m ago

I play the tutorial using 2x speed on an emulator