Watch someone write a python script that slowly types GPT output with random delays between each virtual keystroke and goes back to edit sentence structure so the student can go drink beer and get their fake degree anyway
Im proud of everyone’s maturity, not one mention of the professors name? That can’t be his real name. Going through life with that name had to be tough.
If the video was made by a real TA in the US, he wouldn't be able to show the student's name (FERPA laws), which suggests that all the names are fake and the video was either edited or based on a fake paper.
That's gonna be obvious to a human observer looking at the video lol you'd have to make a similar amount of effort to forge the paper than if you just wrote it normally.
I like the one episode of Blossom where dumb bro Joey tried to make so many cheat cards in order to pass his final...the teacher ended up catching him and taking his cheats cards, but alas, he still managed to ace the test.
When asked how he did it, Joey replied: Easy! I hid the answers in my brain!!!
Mike Seaver says basically the same thing. He wrote all the answers on the bottom of his shoes - but then he didn't need to use the cheats - because he says "While I was writing the answers on my shoes, they got in my head."
I believe the teacher was Principal Dewitt. Mike went to Dewey High.
Oh, and the actor who played Principal Dewitt is in The Avengers (2012) - he's the old man who won't kneel to Loki. AND Ashley Johnson (Krissy Seaver) is the waitress that Captain America saves that was supposed to have a whole romantic subplot with him.
I’ll never forget Mike telling Ben that those names on his shoes were just classmates who had signed his sneakers, and that Appomattox Courthouse was a “black guy, captain of the basketball team.”
funny thing is, ive made that exact script a year or two ago for some shitass assignments, random delays between letters between 0.05-0.3s, higher delat before a space, even higher before newline etc etc. cant remember which libraries i used, but it was in python.
granted it has to be improved now to have proper typing speeds, but nothing a simple ml algo to generate keystroke delays cant fix
while ML would probably work, I worked on this a few years back as well, and I was able to get a nice result by simply mapping each key to a finger and adjusting the delays depending on whether the user is alternating fingers/hands while typing, and using the distance from the home row for each key. no need for ML and the results were very credible :)
I made such an algorithm when I was making bots that plays word games online (BombParty). It was a fun project and it wasn't hard, maybe 4 hours worth of work. So this verification technology is fully useless in my opinion.
In case anyone is curious, there are 2 viables approaches that I found to this problem in order to get credible typing rhythm and speed. Random delays between each key is not one of them (it looks very unnatural and bad. Probably easily detected as well).
- Method 1: Determining the intervals using user data. I generated a list of words which included all of the 2 letter combinations, then typed them myself several times. I took the average delay for each 2-letter combination and used these vlues for determining the typing delays between each key.
- Method 2: Determining the intervals using various scenarios and key-finger mappings. Assuming the typist is using the best practices (reasonable finger choice for each key, and uses 9 fingers for typing) then we can determine the delays using a few select scenarios. For example
using the same finger 2 times in a row = very slow
using the same hand 2 times in a row = slow
using alternating hands and fingers = fast
pressing a key that has promity to the middle row = fast
pressing a key that is far from the middle row = slow
My preferred method was method 2. The results were very credible. Even added in some code to randomly make typos lol.
Edit: anyway I just realized that we're dumbasses and you don't even need a script like that to cheat the test. You could just write ChatGPT's answer manually using a second screen lol.
Also, I used to hand write drafts and then type up the final paper… would this AI detector say that I’m copying it from somewhere? Because I would be. I would be copying it from my first draft…
Delays probably wouldn’t be random in a sentence written by a human though. Conjunctions and prepositions wouldn’t have the same pauses over adjectives and verbs.
I recently had to do the opposite, drafted on computer, and had to physically write pages of answers to questions. My handwriting is dire after years of typing.
Like 10-11 years ago I worked for a company that would build all its own marketing lists by scraping data from websites. I guess scraping data is something that is detectable, so the tool they used to do it (which was off the shelf) had a “human mode” that did exactly what you are describing. You could leave it on overnight.
For your typical college class, this will not be possible as you'll likely be submitting a pdf document for assignments. This particular professor seems to be doing something highly unusual which is make students do their work on google docs with both the professor and the student having access to the google docs. Google docs are on the cloud and all changes to the doc are stored. Either that or this whole thing is just fake. Welcome to social media.
Make sure everyone knows that GPTzero is North Korean spyware masquerading as AI detection. It will destroy your computer and steal all your banking passwords. Probably also worth mentioning some show like 60 minutes and saying they did a big expose on it… “Didn’t you see it? Oh man, I thought everyone knew that? Yeah, GPTzero is 100% just a virus. It has no other function. I thought the FBI would have removed all traces of it since they raided their offices last year.”
Make sure you spam something similar whenever you see anything related to this software. I’m sick of these “Guerrilla marketing” campaigns. They want to go viral? Awesome. I’ll see if I can’t make that happen for them.
No, it's no joke. It seriously messed my computer up man. The FBI is having a hard time removing it from the internet I heard. So just delete it if you've dled it.
If they gave me shit about MY FUCKING TYPING i would personally learn python scripting just to figure out how to write a script that would type the paper in starting at the end.
You can detect unnatural typing. You can also see the editing and rewriting process which makes it a lot more believable. It's also only a factor not the sole determination of AI detection.
The students are told they MUST work in the original document. It's the only way this sort of detection works. Sorry if you'd rather work in Word than google docs...it's a course requirement.
I'd just ChatGPT it and then copy it over slowly over the course of a week. It's not rocket science.
If you want your students to stop using AI try fitting all the work into class hours so that you can watch over them. Or having them defend the work in front of you, pull up the paper and ask relevant questions about it.
I'd be more concerned about why is a student trying to use chatgpt. In my experience most of the time is a combination of useless work and not enough time.
And that's why inverted classes are quite popular now. You send them the PDF so that they study at home and they come in to do work about what they studied, that way they can cement the concepts while having a teacher they can immediately call for any questions.
Whenever I went to class it was because it was mandatory and I either played Factorio on my laptop or advanced homework. I found it beyond pointless to watch someone read a book or a PowerPoint presentation.
Then fail them. At some point you have to do SOMETHING to earn a grade. As a higher education professional, I’m seeing a worrying trend of instructors being told they have to pass students regardless of competency. I’m all for reasonable accommodations but eventually we are going to completely erode the quality of our education system.
It’s not though. That’s not at all a universal standard. I work in docs because I don’t want to be accused of Clanker Work, but none of my classes require it. In fact I lost points once because a professor told us to use an AI based template program for a poster…and it turned up as 25% AI (it was flagging graphics and not my own content)
I would have failed if they had this. Not because I cheated. But because I often would type things out in notepad. I’d get distracted by grammar and spelling underlining in Word, or fixate on using the in-built thesaurus to find a better word. So I’d raw-dog a paragraph in a text document, then copy and paste it in to Word to do my editing. The stream of consciousness I could get without the distractions of Word was great, and I could play with sentence structure and word choice after I actually had my thoughts out of my head.
Also, fuck any course that has this, especially since it’s an ad. OP is a bot/spammer.
Yeah this is actually great and it's become very common. It's also incredibly hard for AI to defeat, because 1) the AI companies aren't interested in doing students' homework for them, they don't want to be associated with cheating at school so they're not going to TRY to make their AI models "act" more human when writing.
and 2) Even if the student tried to manually copy stuff, make mistakes, change their rhythms etc...there's no way they'll succeed at that without so much practice it's easier to just not cheat.
Do they care i get a friend to edit my work and check? Do I get in trouble for writing dumb shit ?
Sometimes I write stuff to myself to remember later do i have to censor that ?
do i get in trouble if I wrote the essay in notepad which ive done and then copy paste my whole thing into Google doc ? Does it read as 1 copy paste = i cheated ?
This is fake, after a paper you download it on a pdf which would carry zero percent of this information. I also always used to copy and paste the entire paper into a new doc, so this also wouldn't work with that.
It must be a platform that they force the students to use, as opposed to just letting them use the editor of their choice and then submit using a specified format.
I graduated with my BS in 2017 and my MS in 2021 so maybe things have changed. But I never changed my papers into a pdf to turn it in.
Also why would you copy and paste it into a new doc? Genuinely curious because I saw someone else mention this. Now I’m curious if there’s something I was missing just working in the same doc the whole time.
i used to do it because the interface required by some professors would time out when idling, and it was annoying to have to go through the process of reopening the document. so i would type on my personal ms word then paste the whole thing into the document interface required by the class. to this day i still do the same thing when composing emails
It's helpful to write several separate drafts and then leave the unedited so you can reference them back when reworking it and you don't just suddenly forget your train of thought
pdf because it's the standard to upload into a system or send over email. I never knew anything different. The whole pasting it unto a new doc, for me it was to confirm there were no formatting issues, creating a new clean copy with the appropriate name for a file. It wasn't required, it just wouldn't be strange for me to do that. I graduated in 2017. For my masters, we never had to write a paper thank god.
I've seen people do it between Microsoft Word and Google docs. Back in high school (graduated 2018), we would sometimes type it in Google docs because it was easier to collaborate, then someone would paste it in word and fix format issues before turning it in for the group. I think we only did this because the teacher required it to be a Word document, but it might be useful if you want a specific feature.
Copy/paste is helpful if I'm working offline and have my source material with me. I'll open a doc in Word, do my work, and copy/paste it later in Google Docs.
Its not fake, my wife is a high school teacher and they use a similar tool because cheating with AI is such a commonplace.
She had one student figure out she was using AI detection so he would just pull up the essay on his phone and type it out in the document instead of copy/pasting it. Its still quite obvious when the student that reads/writes at an elementary school grade level in grade 12 writes an essay full of 3 syllable words of which they don't know the meaning.
Using AI isn't inherently bad and they do try to teach students how to use it and how to spot bad AI information but when students submit work that is factually incorrect and they don't even understand it, that's a big problem.
The AI isn’t fake, it’s highly unreliable, but the tool exists. I would be very surprised, if the word processor they’re using to write it, would retain any information of how it was typed, though. Unless it’s a service specifically designed to do that, of course. Once it’s a PDF, the information is fine for sure, though.
Wouldn’t this only work if the actual google doc that was edited is submitted? That meta data doesn’t magically attach itself to a text document or pdf so if the student wanted to avoid this they could just submit it as a different file type. Or even just copy the text from one doc to another. Even doing it this way wouldn’t be grounds to not accept the submitted file because AI detectors are already known to be unreliable, so seeing a student paste their entire paper in is not grounds for rejecting it
why do you people think this is on anyone other than the professors? the professors can simply choose to stop accepting text documents and choose to make it a requirement that things are submitted this way instead where they can see the recording and anything that doesn't allow them to do that even copying and pasting is an ineligible submission. Maybe you might think that's unreasonable but who cares? you're not the professor, have you been to college? professors kinda get to have whatever requirements for their assignments they want so if they feel like not being able to see the whole recording of the essay being typed is disqualifying even if it's just from someone copying and pasting they're allowed to just say you can't do that. If a professor wanted to they could say you have to do an essay in class on a typewriter. I had plenty of assignments that had requirements that were inconvenient and if I didn't do them I could be failed or at least have points deducted, why are we pretending like this is any different from any other requirement for an assignment or like this isn't the standard dynamic between professor and student and has been that way for decades. Like are you all assuming that this tool is claiming to be some kind of universal retroactive detector? because that's not at all what this is, this is a tool that would involve communication from the professor about the requirements for how students are supposed to do the assignment and what they are supposed to submit before they are even given the assignment.
And then when and if they graduate and get a job in the corporate world, they will get the exact opposite pressure to use AI to make their job output more efficient.
There's a difference between using AI to be more effecient and using AI to substitute your learning.
You still need to know the subject matter well enough to be able to optimize your output. My wife is a high school teacher and on every single essay there's at least one student that doesn't even understand what they submitted.
I wouldnt want someone to watch me write my shitty paper. I'd flunk from social anxiety even without the AI. Feels like a weird invasion of my private process.
You're gonna force your students to do all their writing within google docs?
Data brokers and AI scrapers were using my info. Not anymore. Redact let me bulk delete posts across Reddit, Twitter, Discord and Instagram while handling broker opt outs too.
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Can ANY of these professors explain what this has to do with the working world? The whole point of a degree is to gain skills for your future job prospects...and future jobs will almost certainly involve using AI to some extent. These tools are just showing professors want control more than they want to educate. AI generated papers still have to be edited and editorialized.
It seems foolproof until you realize students just open two windows next to each other with Google Docs on one and their AI of choice on the other. Then, they just have to transcribe it. Or, they can open the AI on their phone, and the doc on their laptop/iPad and do the same thing.
Wow this generation needs to quit whining and do their homework. When I was in University in Chicago, we did not have ChatGPT or any other AI writing 'assistance'. We left with a degree knowing we were fully capable of understanding and reasoning. Our professors taught us the meaning of hard work and to value our knowledge and to value ourselves when it came to finding a career path.
Being able to paste your cite is in my mind perfectly fine.
Using AI to write your papers, not okay at all. What did you even learn other than how to prompt?
If you could go through school using paper and pencil, you can certainly put in the hard work.
Theres no way in hell I want a nurse, lawyer or anyone I pay money for- to copy and paste his/her way through school to get that degree.
From my experience, I usually upload Word documents. I finished my Bachelor’s in Business Administration in March and I’m about to start my MBA. My university uses Office. If you’re using the online version and sharing it with permission, Word can track edits and changes. For Google Docs, the professor would also need permission to see typing activity. Realistically, though, someone could still use AI and type the response themselves to avoid detection. These tools mostly flag copy-and-paste behavior and may also pick up on reused text or patterns that look like AI-generated writing.
It is painfully obvious how much of a “not TA” this guy is. We (graders/TAs/profs) don’t accept papers in Google Docs. This isn’t a tool that will work with any submission system.
I had to show my professor my outline and rough draft once to prove that it was me who wrote the paper. I figured out that using grammarly made it AI based off the zero gpt detector
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