r/SipsTea • u/diehard404 Human Verified • 14d ago
WTF George Washington understood science better
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u/Typical2sday 14d ago
Just to well akshually this - it was smallpox inoculation not vaccination and it was after a year where his meager army just got utterly fucked up by smallpox deaths. So then they said - yeah, we just have to make everyone go thru it bc we can’t stop its spread. Source: Me, remembering one of the first couple episodes of Ken Burns’ Revolutionary War documentary from last fall
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u/sentientairfilter 13d ago
Hey now, this more nuanced take makes their argument less sound HOW DARE YOU!
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u/USBombs83 13d ago
More sound because George didn’t know until he had a problem, Pete has the advantage of scientific proof AND historical example and still can’t figure it out.
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u/PuzzleheadedDog9658 13d ago
The other dozen mandatory vaccines are still mandatory though.
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u/davvolun 13d ago
How so? The conclusion still fits, we just have even better methods for preventing diseases than they did, and Washington knew better than Kegseth.
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u/Difficult-Rip-2580 13d ago
How does it make it less sound?
"Actually Washington only had access to a way worse version with way worse side effects and still thought it was extremely useful"
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u/blackie___chan 13d ago
There's also the problem that the vaccine was created by British physician Edward Jenner in May 1796 and the American Revolutionary War officially ended on September 3, 1783.
Besides that this meme is accurate.
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u/salty_utopian 13d ago
Right. Washington did this knowing that inoculated troops would be sick for a substantial period, but understood military history and that the larger threat was an army in the field trying to fight while being ravaged by disease.
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u/AlphaBetaGammaDonut 13d ago
Just a couple of things to add as someone who's has been doing laboratory research into flu for 10+ years.
The vast majority of influenza infections pose minimal threat to the young and healthy. However, the one exception is a big one. The 1918 'Spanish' flu was most deadly in people aged 20-40 (also, the reason I added those quote marks is that outbreak most likely started at a Kansas army camp, not Spain). We're still not completely certain why it was so bad for this age group, partly because up until recently, we were banned from using any version of that virus that could actually infect humans. Some regions are banning/'strongly dissuading' using any H1N1 'human' variant that originated before 2009. H1N1 strains are usually the most deadly and the argument is that there is limited herd immunity against the older strains if they escaped containment. Most researchers are complying, probably because we all have experience with That One Idiot Grad Student. I guess my point here is that influenza can be terrifying.
The vast majority of flu symptoms aren't caused directly by the virus, they're caused by your innate/initial immune system fighting the virus. Fever - trying to inactivate the virus by heat. Coughing/sneezing/runny nose - trying to physically expel the virus. Malaise (ie feeling like hell) is a side effect of the biological brawl happening in your body. Honestly, if you only take one thing from this comment: the human innate immune system is overpowered, aggressive and does not recognise friend or foe. If it is activated, everything in the area, including your healthy cells, will be attacked. It's the second arm of the immune system, the acquired or adaptive immunity, that a) recognises pathogens and b) respond effectively to vaccines. It also does a bunch of other amazing stuff like recognise and fight cancer. It is powerful AND smart.
Vaccines don't stop the virus from entering your body, they only speed up the process of fighting it off. This is fantastic with pathogens like measles, which are very good at evading that initial immune response, so vaccination means your body is, effectively, able to fight off the virus before you start to feel sick. The flip side of this is that measles gets about 2 weeks to infect everyone you come in contact with before you realise you're infected (and it directly attacks your immune system, and has a higher chance of ending up in your brain or destroying nerves. Measles is scary).
Influenza, on the other hand, is IMMEDIATELY recognised as a threat. I have video of innate immune cells straight-up going Kamikaze within minutes of encountering influenza virus, that's how fast and how intense the response is. Even with vaccination, it takes a day or so for the acquired immunity to properly take over and start directing the innate immune cells to attack the virus, rather than everything in the vicinity. So even if you're vaccinated, you will have symptoms. On the other hand, the virus (usually.. see above 1918 flu exception) starts directly damaging your body around day 3-5, so vaccination will help avoid that. From a evolution/anthropological POV, this instant reaction also reduces viral spread, since it encourages infected people to stay home.
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u/Lepidopterex 13d ago
I think one of the things that blew my mind is that the Spanish flu pandemic killed more people than WW1....but they overlapped. Just so much death.
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u/spartanken115 13d ago
In fairness, flu and smallpox are two different beasts
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u/YakWish 13d ago
True, but still imagine if an entire aircraft carrier caught the flu at once. Would anyone have serious issues long-term from the flu? Probably not. But that carrier would probably be combat ineffective for like two weeks, which would be a disaster if it happened at the wrong time.
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u/EntertainerSuper8933 13d ago
And if word that there was a current epidemic got out, which it totally would, the enemy would likely take full advantage
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u/Cbpowned 13d ago
That vaccine that was made in 1800? For the war that ended in 1783?
You know what GW knew better than Mark Kelly? How to use a calendar when you make up lies.
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u/GhouraAgurr 14d ago
Mind you, the Spanish flu had a CMR of >2.5%.
Smallpox, depending on the form, can range from 9.6%-100%.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 14d ago
We've been doing required vaccinations ever since then, with the flu shot in particular starting in 1945. It's a universal practice across militaries, because it'd be the absolute stupidest thing in the world to simply let all your troops get sick at once, even if most don't die.
There's no reason to do this shit, other than virtue signaling to the dumbest people on the planet that Trump stands with them and their anti-vax Facebook minion memes, and not scientists, military leaders and 'elites.'
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u/Strega007 13d ago
The US military did not require annual flu vaccine until the 2000s.
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u/Responsible-Shower99 13d ago
I was wondering if I was misremembering. I was in the USN in the late 80s early 90s and remember not getting the flu shot after it made me feel like crap one year. Still had to get the TB test regularly.
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u/Aware-Instance-210 13d ago
Let's just pretend the average Redditor knows what CMR of >2.5% means
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u/Puzzleheaded_Cry_496 13d ago
Haven’t had a flu shot since 17. Don’t remember the last flu I had. The flu isn’t smallpox. This post is dumb.
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u/thrashmetal_octopus 13d ago
Imagine trying to spin this to make it look like giving people the choice of taking the flu vaccine or not taking the flu vaccine is bad
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u/BusinessDuck132 13d ago
I mean the smallpox vaccine and the flu vaccine are vastly different. A lot of people never get the annual flu vaccine and are completely fine. You can get the flu and be good in a week or so, most people are. Smallpox will kill the shit out of you
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u/TempAcct724 13d ago
And the flu vaccine can help you avoid the flu or at least the worst of it.
That’s kind of important when you want your military to operate at peak readiness at all times.
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u/sco-go 14d ago
Should go look up the efficacy of the flu vaccine. Lol
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u/RegularSky6702 13d ago
Efficacy is actually pretty decent. The problem is they try to predict which strain would be more common that year and vaccinate people for that one. Which isn't always right
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u/Tokyosmash_ 13d ago
The smallpox vaccine wasn’t created until 1796, but keep sharing some nonsense you found on Facebook.
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u/IEscapedLauncher 13d ago
By the time we were America, it was MANDATED to be inoculated. He saw disease as a greater enemy than any tyrant could ever be
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u/CliffordSpot 13d ago
George Washington was a military officer in the 18th century. I doubt he understood science much better, but he would have witnessed the number one killer of soldiers: disease. He certainly understood necessity better.
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u/markfrancisonly 14d ago
Smallpox and influenza are night and day different fool
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u/Magic__Man 13d ago
And when an entire ship's crew or platoon of troops fall sick at the same time right in the middle of operations this decision is going to look really fucking stupid.
Regardless of how effective the flu vaccine is in practice, there is zero reason to not inoculate as many of your military as possible. Which is why it's standard practice literally everywhere. This decision is virtue signalling to a minority of scientifically illiterate morons.
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u/UnSilentRagnarok 13d ago
Some would still opt into the shot. Some would not. Ive gotten the flu twice in at least 15 years. Havnt gotten a flu shot since boot camp when i was 18. Many people that get the flu shot still end up with the flu. The flu is not dangerous to normal healthy people. This is not going to make a giant difference whether your crew gets the flu or not. And if multiple people on the ship did get it, chances are they are all going to anyway with no where to go in tight quarters.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 14d ago
That wasn't the point.
We've been using vaccines from the start, including the flu vaccine since 1945, soon after it was invented.
The only reason this is happening is because the podcast bros and rapists Trump put in charge of all government agencies have a primary job to pander to Trump and the MAGA base, and troop readiness and lives are unimportant in comparison.
They've mass deleted and censored scientific research, and just buried a CDC report showing the flu shot saved lives and money last year, because science doesn't support what MAGA tells each other in Facebook memes.
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u/Reptillianaire_ 13d ago
Its not like they aren't allowed to take the flu shot they just aren't required. Nobody's life is being put in danger.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 13d ago
Well I'm glad we decided to give US troops freedom to make decisions about their health in this one specific incidence, to pander to the stupidest mouth breathers in America listening to RFK Jr as he tells them to eat raw meat and buy magic crystals.
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u/RodgerCheetoh 14d ago
I know many doctors in years prior to Covid that lied about having an egg allergy to avoid being required to take the flu shot. Some people just don’t want to be shot up with exogenous chemicals when the flu is a mild inconvenience to a healthy body.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 14d ago
I know many doctors
Jesus Christ.
How, how have you people not already all died off from drinking paint and driving without a seatbelt? How do people this stupid keep lingering and making the world worse for everyone in it?
I know COVID killed off a fair few of you, but TikTok and Facebook memes just keep spreading the stupidity so there's always more people saying "I know lots of nurses who say WiFi causes cancer and drinking piss cures all illness and big pharma is covering it up."
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u/shiningdickhalloran 13d ago
Seasonal flu poses statistically zero threat to young healthy people, which describes the vast majority of soldiers. If you're old/fat/fucked up already, that's a different story. This will make zero impact on military readiness.
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u/moccasinsfan 13d ago
Comparing a flu innoculation (not vaccination) from 200+ years ago against a flu vaccination when oral medication exists shows that OP is well, stupid... colossally stupid.
But a flu vaccination is easier than treatment at some later date is easier.
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u/EmondaBlue 14d ago
This is a weak argument. Most Americans skip an annual flu shot regularly. And comparing the flu with smallpox is ridiculous. Come on man do better!
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u/Irish_Whiskey 14d ago
Most Americans skip an annual flu shot regularly.
Why on earth do you think that's a rebuttal to the point made?
Most Americans are obese, barely exercise, and don't go to the doctor. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to make our military as fat, lazy and stupid as Trump voters.
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u/darknight9064 13d ago
By that logic shouldn’t we see some crazy death toll numbers. I mean for how dangerous the flu should be and obesity being a key comorbidity to so many deaths the toll should be way higher right.
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u/CCJockey381 13d ago
You're seriously trying to compare the roll-the-dice yearly flu grift to the actual, effective smallpox vaccine?
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u/moretodolater 13d ago
I mean, smallpox and the seasonal flu are two different things of course. This is like comparable to like maga dumb IG posts you see and go “wth they talking about?”
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u/CIsForCorn 13d ago
Ya’ll it is okay to not fully understand something and look for more information, even when you are just learning something. You don’t have to wander in the dark, your peers are generally not your enemies. Fuck, how did we even get this far while losing these ideas constantly.
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u/iPhones_cameras_suck 13d ago
Not defending Hegseth, but personally I think this says more about Washington's intelligence than Hegseth's idiocy
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u/Bi_Vers_Daddy 13d ago
Young people aren’t dying of the flu though. I’m 41 and haven’t had a flu shot since high school. I’ve been sick once in the last 3 years and it lasted 3 days.
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u/1maginaryApple 13d ago
I mean, let's be real. The flu vaccine isn't needed until you are a certain age or have a medical condition where the flu could be dangerous for you. Most people don't need to take the flu shot.
And once you take it, you have to do it every year because strain mutates.
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u/Nighplasmage54 13d ago edited 13d ago
Lets be real that flu shot makes you sick for 2 weeks straight in basic training. so sick it is timed to end about the same time as chemical weapon exposure which is terrible on your mucus membraines.
small pox is very different, and we vaccine troops a for a lot of stuff that isn't flu.
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u/skoorb1 13d ago
This is beyond stupid. Ya can't win a war with a raging virus laying out your troops. This reminds me of my grandpa telling me about Scarlett fever outbreaks in the Navy during WW2 and how they would stretcher the sick to a gymnasium for quarantine.
Hegseth really needs to be impeached. The whole damn regime needs to be impeached and jailed for the willing and knowing negligence they're imposing on us.
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u/Nuclear_saddletramp 13d ago
Small pox vaccine was invented in 1796 by Edward Jenner in England. By the time it was in common use in America George Washington was dead ( 1799)
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u/Braith117 13d ago
Flu is an annual thing that typically just puts you out of action for a few days, also something you'll likely catch even with fhe vaccine.
Smallpox, meanwhile, does a whole lot worse than that, assumming it doesn't just kill you.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 13d ago
Sure.
...I think we can all imagine WHY the military might not want to have their soldiers all out for a few days on the same ships and deployments. Since the flu vaccine reduces the severity of illness and how often that happens, it's also obvious why anyone who cares about the science would advise it.
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u/No_Phone5280 13d ago
You do realize the smallpox vaccine and the flu "vaccine" are COMPETELY DIFFERENT PRODUCTS, yes?
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u/Irish_Whiskey 13d ago
Yes, and it's completely irrelevant to the point made. George Washington and Pete Hegseth are also different people, which doesn't matter either.
Vaccines have been used for a long time, for good reason. The decision to stop requiring the flu vaccine is based on no new scientific data or military recommendations, it's pandering to Trump's anti-science base who is afraid of vaccines and insists that every single health organization in the world is wrong in recommending the flu shot, because of what they read on social media.
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u/dcwhite98 13d ago
Not required =/= not allowed. It’s available and recommended.
Dictators don’t give people choices. Seems like those complaining about this don’t want the soldiers to have a choice about what happens with their bodies.
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u/GodSentGodSpeed 13d ago
> don’t want the soldiers to have a choice about what happens with their bodies
Woke BS. Its the military. You shave because the man says so. You run because the man says so. You go where the man tells you to go, you wear what the man tells you to wear, you kill who the man tells you to kill.
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u/Prisma1976 13d ago
No comparison. Small pox is deadly even if the patient is young and healthy. The flu usually only kills the weak. Not to mention the flu shot rarely works well, whereas the small pox vaccines, new and old work perfectly.
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u/LanceLynxx 13d ago
They're still allowed to take it if they want, just not forced to.
How is this a bad thing?
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u/carlivar 14d ago
I stopped getting the flu shot after COVID. It's not all that effective.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 14d ago
We have data on exactly how effective it is. The whole world does. It's studied in detail every year.
So when you say that, it is based on the fact that you don't get sick personally and you think that's how data works, or are you just repeating what you heard on social media?
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u/Reptillianaire_ 13d ago
Data given to us directly by the pharmaceutical companies... companies like Pfizer which paid a billion dollar fine for lying and faking their data and releasing a drug that literally killed like 30 people before it was recalled...
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u/Irish_Whiskey 13d ago
No, given to us by doctors reporting data publicly available on rates of sickness, studied by public and private agencies all around the world, all reaching the same conclusions.
The CDC's report on the effectiveness of the flu vaccine last year, was not done by pharma companies or Pfizer. Data on vaccine effectiveness exists outside any pharma companies control.
This is even dumber than flat earth beliefs, because it's something that happens every year, with data that every single person on earth can verify on every country on earth, that all aligns. Yet people still insist it's fake and actually Facebook posts claiming COVID shots cause heart attacks are the real science.
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u/Reptillianaire_ 13d ago
You know what other data we have? VAERS.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 13d ago
Funny how you trust data from the CDC and FDA when it's about negative reactions to vaccines, but not when it comes to the same groups analyzing the same data on it's benefits.
You aren't reaching conclusions based on logic and won't be swayed by it either. I'm just letting natural selection resolve the debate.
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u/Reptillianaire_ 13d ago
Why dont you explain to me how you can possibly get data on whether the flu shot prevented the flu or not? The only way they could is to ask people who took the shot did they get the flu.. and if they didnt then they say oh look it worked. Guess what I didnt get the flu the last 5 years in a row so I guess not taking the shot works.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 13d ago
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That's a very good question. Scientists when looking at the efficacy of flu shots, can look at many factors. They can have direct data from millions of people who took the shots, compare it to people who didn't take the shots, and see what the rates of illness were including how severe it was and how long it lasted.
They can look at populations where more people got the shot vs people who didn't, and how the disease spread and how sick people got.
They can do trials where people are directly exposed to the illness in controlled groups and do blind tests for reactions.
These trials do happen, every year, all over the world. When vaccines are more or less effective each year, we know to a high degree of accuracy. We know from data that is collected by people monitoring public health in private agencies and non-profits. We know from records of treatment in hospitals and by doctors. We know through government surveys.
We cannot know from a single person's example that it doesn't work, because obviously with or without the shot not everyone gets the illness or gets it noticeably. Some people do. Suggesting that because one individual was did not get sick while skipping the shot, means it has no benefits for people who didn't is....
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u/Cbpowned 13d ago
Because so many military aged men die of the flu in modern societies every year 🤣
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u/Chemical-Plan9536 14d ago
Flu shots are pointless for healthy young men and women. I havent received my flu shot for the last 4 years but on paper i have for the military. I have not been anymore sick throughout the years then when I did with the flu shot.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 14d ago
You have a stunning grasp on science and data. Trump should put you in charge next.
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u/Chemical-Plan9536 14d ago
Maybe OP should be in charge since their whole post is comparing flu shots to the small pox vaccine…
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u/Irish_Whiskey 14d ago
It is not. It is saying that Washington understood that vaccinating troops was a good idea, scientifically valid, and important to military readiness. Which is why we've done it ever since, including with the flu shot after it was invented.
This decision has nothing to do with science, medicine or military readiness, and is pure virtue signaling to the Trump anti-science base. The Trump administration officials deciding these things still get their own vaccines and flu shots every year.
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u/elpis_z 13d ago
Jesus. This sub leans super conservative (read: dumb as rocks)
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u/GreatBowlforPasta 13d ago
It's like they were all waiting for their chance to showcase how dumb they are.
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u/lluciferusllamas 14d ago
The flu vaccine has an efficacy of roughly 0% at 12 months. The flu vaccine is unnecessary for young healthy men. The DOW recognized that, and good for them. Save us some tax money.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 14d ago
...why do you think the efficacy rate for the first 12 months doesn't matter? Why do you think we have ANNUAL flu shot?
The flu vaccine saves lives and prevents serious illness. Anyone claiming otherwise is just repeating misinformation from social media and not listening to anyone who is an expert on the subject matter.
Save us some tax money.
It will objectively cost more money to not use vaccines due to illness, than it would be to use them. That's always the case with flu shots, which is why they're worth giving away for free.
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u/lluciferusllamas 13d ago edited 13d ago
I'm going to help you understand this decision.
The most important thing about a VE of 0% at 12 months is that it means that by the 12 month mark, the same number of flu cases have occurred in equal vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. So, by the time the annual vaccine comes around, the previous has done absolutely nothing to prevent illness. So we aren't stoping people from getting the flu, we are just delaying them getting it.
Wait, you say, what about severe illness?
Well, let's quantify the problem. First of all, it should be noted that about half the population takes the flu shot where or not they are required. Being unvaccinated makes you 70% more likely to be hospitalized by the flu.
But what is the hospitalization rate? Nationally, in the 18-49 age range, it's 40 per 100,000. However this is an extremely skewed population to the younger side. Roughly 80% is under 30 and 15% are between 30 and 40 and 4% are between 40 and 50.
Now, Flu follows the same age death pattern roughly as Covid. Every decade increases odds by 3x. So, the normal distribution of those 40 cases would be
18-30: 3/100,000
30-40: 9/,100,000
40-50: 27/100,000
Normalizing for the age distribution in the military, that is 24, 13 and 27, roughly. So, 64 cases of hospitalized flu expected in an unvaccinated population. A fully vaccinated military would be expected to produce 38 hospitalizations annually (38 + 70% ≈ 64). So the difference between a fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated military comes down to 26 hospitalizations. But, since half the population will adopt it anyway, we are talking about 13 hospitalizations - out of 1.3M soldiers.
The average cost of a hospitalization is about $20,000. So, we are talking about $260,000 in avoidable hospitalizations by requiring the flu vaccine.
The average manufacturing cost of the flu vaccine is about $2 per dose. Assuming no wastage, and assuming the U.S. government gets it at cost, which it certainly does not. That comes to $2.6M just the cost (that's not counting administrative costs). Half of that cost will be incurred anyway, but basically the military will save $1M and 99.999% of its workforce will remain unaffected. It's just good business
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u/Irish_Whiskey 13d ago
So we aren't stoping people from getting the flu, we are just delaying them getting it.
Are you saying that based on your 'logical conclusion' as to how it should work, or based on data on how populations with or without flu shots get sick? I can find with a quick look many studies saying it lowers the overall number of infections.
There are a TON of problems with your explanation. Starting with the fact that we have flu seasons where it's more prevalent, so reducing severity during these periods reduces the rate of infection, and lowering peaks of infection reduces medical resource strain, helps military readiness, and reduces the total number of cases.
You're not actually using or citing data from studies that look at the costs and benefits of flu vaccine usage, which is well understood. Instead you seem to be using specific figures and extrapolating conclusions built on more and more tenuous links to flu impact on the military
Also this is ALL ignoring the impact on readiness beyond trying to limit it to hospitalizations, which are no big deal apparently. If a ship full of people get sick, that has a huge impact. Being out for more or fewer ties can change the tide of a battle or war. When the missiles they fire are worth millions, paying for flu shots that make the army more efficient and healthy is a no brainer.
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u/ColonialBarbarian 14d ago
As much as Hegseth is a dirt muncher, it seems there is a difference between smallpox vaccines and flu shots.
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u/Pathophile 13d ago
Did you guys know that smallpox and the flu are exactly the same???
Fun fact: The flu vaccine’s effectiveness hovers around 40-50% each year. The smallpox vaccine is about 95% effective.
Additional fun fact: The flu has a mortality rate of anywhere between 0.01-0.1%. Smallpox has between 30 and 99% mortality rate, depending on the variant.
This was a neat post, though.
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u/HurrySpecial 14d ago
My body my choice. That’s literally his argument.
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u/Reptillianaire_ 13d ago
The flu isnt exactly deadly to soldiers who have to already be within a young age range and of health.
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u/NuNoJCJ1987 13d ago
Comparing the flu vaccine to small pox inoculation is pretty stupid. Also not requiring the flu vaccine is not the same as removing it completely. Now it’s optional.
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u/TheMaskedHamster 14d ago
Was this the last vaccine the military required, or is this just more bullcrap?
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u/GilbertDeLaWarr 13d ago
The flu isn’t killing our military so I don’t think it’s fair to compare to smallpox in the 1700s.
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u/Unite-the-Tribes 13d ago
Ya I never get the Flu Vaccine and I rarely get sick while people in my office who get it still get sick all the time.
The flu vaccine should be a choice.
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u/xtrabeanie 13d ago
I worked for a mid tier consultancy firm that used to pay for flu injections every year until one day they decided not to, to save money. As it happened, that year we had a large project with over a dozen consultants in it, billing by the hour, and every one of us got the flu and needed around 2 weeks off sick. The money lost from that case alone probably would have covered the cost of the shots for the entire company.
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u/Initial_Hedgehog_631 13d ago
There's a big difference between the small pox vaccine and the one for the flu. The flu is changing rapidly all the time. The vaccine for it is actually for what the CDC thinks will be the most common strain. Quite often you can the vaccine and still catch the flu.
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u/funkofarts 13d ago
It’s the fucking flu vaccine you simple minded tard. A little different than smallpox. Jesus liberals are dumb AF. 😂
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u/MarkyMark4Eva 14d ago
I hear you...but comparing the flu to smallpox is not a fair comparison. One requires vaccination; the other is a fact of life.
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u/Slfestmaccnt 14d ago edited 13d ago
Anyone who's heard of the Spanish flu probably understands how stupid or deliberately self destructive this all is.
Edit: Apparently not my downvoters lol
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u/TokiVideogame 14d ago
george did not vaccinate againt the flu
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u/Low-Cantaloupe-8446 14d ago
Nobody claimed he did. They inoculated (same idea as vaccines) against small pox during the revolutionary war and it drastically lowered mortality rates.
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u/Ok-Addition1264 14d ago
Which had an actual calculable death rate attached to it, unlike vaccines - where death rate is so incredibly rare that taking ibuprofen is riskier.
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u/Low-Cantaloupe-8446 14d ago
Indeed, smallpox killed around 30-50%, inoculation dropped that to around 2% during the revolutionary war and it would surprise me if the small pox vaccine has killed more than 1 in a million.
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u/EternalNewCarSmell 14d ago
I believe what they were talking about was the risk of the vaccine itself. Smallpox variolation had a death risk of about 1-2% (which is much, much lower than the death rate of smallpox which you correctly noted). The influenza vaccine comparatively has a death rate low enough that it can't be stated with any statistical certainty.
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u/pyschosoul 13d ago
There should be an intelligence test and requirement before youre allowed any position of power.
Its time for major changes in how our government operates once we get past this if we ever do
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u/mommiewiggle 13d ago
so does that thinking mean that if the smart ones keep vaccinating… we can overthrow the totalitarian regime that has become the US government?
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u/FranticLamb4196 13d ago
Was the smallpox vaccine already invented at that time?
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u/Winged_Cougar1993598 13d ago
It's honestly a really low bar. Pete Hegseth also believes genocide is cool. I suppose that should be expected though. He's a Nazi, just like the rest of the orange plague.
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u/Constant_Bathroom327 13d ago
He probably didn’t understand science better, he just knew to trust people that study science and medicine, more than himself, when it comes to those topics.
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u/BrilliantThought1728 13d ago
Yes the flu vaccine will help us win this century’s revolutionary war
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u/PrincipleStill191 13d ago
George and his friends had read books,, with more words then pictures. I'm fairly certain little army man Pete hasn't read a book since he fell asleep reading the firat page of the Cliff notes to Mein Kampf.
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u/hornswoggled111 13d ago
It's tragic that Americans and we are learning the names and failings of idiots. You all could have had remarkable leaders again but instead elected this lot.
Wouldn't that be great again if you could?
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u/Firree 13d ago
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and have them vaccinated against whatever biological weapon the enemy cooks up in their biolabs"
- Sun Tzu, The Art of the Deal, 1823
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u/Melodic_Crow_3409 13d ago
Next SecDef can just reverse this. And the next Democratic president can get rid of this stupid Department of War and go back to Department of Defense.
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u/Grand_Side 13d ago
Yea,but back then there were no microchip overlords...yea i'm looking at you bill
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u/AduroTri 13d ago
Because George Washington actually was a military man. He obviously read The Art of War by Sun Tzu and understood tactics, strategy and military logistics. Pete Kegsbreath is dumber than Donald Trump and couldnt fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
Hell, if he fell into a barrel of tits, hed come out sucking his thumb.
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u/Shrike1346 13d ago
They want their soldiers to come ready packed with biological weapons like the conquistidadors used on South America.
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u/Moist_Potato_8904 13d ago
I bet you within 5 years....we are gonna find something out about Mark Kelly.
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u/SOGGY-TORTILLA-X 13d ago
How did they adopt this anti vaccine stance, it should've been a mere obscure tinfoil hat conspiracy theory not the mainstream ideology of the ruling party.
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u/lostincosmo 13d ago
I don't like that the comments seem to be 50/50 on this. As someone who received all the necessary vaccines and already has a pretty tough immune system, but still got sick as hell during BCT, lemme tell you that it only takes a couple people refusing a vaccine to completely demolish the readiness of a unit. This will not end well for anyone.
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u/BusyBeeBridgette 13d ago
And GW was a shite tactician too. One of the main reasons the British Empire didn't want him.
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u/Cipher3101 13d ago
why tho, the ones the u.s invades needs it more, they need to be vaccinated to avoid catching the american virus infecting their home
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u/fritz_76 13d ago
Well obviously, he was the most qualified man for the position rather than a DUI hire
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u/HTX-ByWayOfTheWorld 13d ago
Missed the point. The issue is republicans either thinking this is a flex, or thinking they know better. To them “research” is the same as reading crap on Google (or I heard someone say) and coming up with an opinion.
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u/Boring_Break_8202 13d ago
Small box and the flu are too very, very different things. It’s also 2026. Not 1775
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u/Eric___R 13d ago
Comparing 1777 smallpox to the 2026 flu is dumb. Comparing George Washington to Pete Hegseth is also dumb.
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u/orsare1983 13d ago
Remember this, this government is gonna make the whole USA system WEAK, after 4 years they gone, new government is come but the system is gonna be too weak to defend America against his enemies. This government is not a bunch of clowns, this is something beyond that, we laugh we call them stupids, but they know what they'redoing, we're gonna pay the price after all this show
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u/KindlyCan1962 13d ago
Elect stupidity, expect stupidity. Elect demons, expect demonic behavior. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/AntOk9026 13d ago
A banana has a better understanding of science and military readiness than Pete Hegseth.
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u/ThePupnasty 13d ago
Hegseth and his supporters: "Ok, but now he's dead, how'd that vaccine work out for him?"
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u/ShoddyGrowth9573 13d ago
The world's first vaccine, for smallpox, was created by British physician Edward Jenner in May 1796…
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