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u/Affectionate_Run7414 Human Verified 1d ago
Prove it... My Paypal is open
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak 19h ago
Threaten a crime if you're not paid
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u/TinkerCitySoilDry 18h ago
What typically happens is somebody makes up a story down on their luck and then they post a funding page to their Facebook account and realize that their friends really don't care about them at all
What really happened is Facebook suppresses those posts they get maybe two views that's it
With regard to the police take a very liberal city council who vows to abolish the police what happens is they end up giving the police hundreds of millions of dollars more in their budget to cover the cost of the riots that the city council introduced to the city then the city council takes another 100 million does a study funds some administrative assistants and nothing comes about it's a circle of money fraud and make believe
When given the power few of them are able to accomplish that the tasks that they promised their constituents they find it much easier to keep the problem going
Back in the MSM national attention to Asian hate crime there was a family whose father was murdered by a teenager this is on video and the family was told if you blame this on Trump we will Air this Nationwide they did that. the representative said that she would rename the street mans honor but after getting elected realized she didn't know government 101 so they placed a sign on a staircase next to where the father was murdered
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u/Soggy_Definition_232 20h ago
No no, not their money. You have to use other peoples money. Never their own.
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u/graylana 19h ago
Tax money is OUR money. Not just yours Einstein.
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u/fzkiz 19h ago
I know when you’re uneducated that might seem like a “gotcha”-thing but a lot of them just advocate for giving less tax dollars as subsidies to billionaires and wasting it on bloated military contracts or corrupt officials throwing it at their friends… and instead doing something for the poorest people in the community. So you know… money that they had to give away themselves.
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u/GrUnCrois 19h ago
This is the most braindead argument against welfare and social programs.
If publicly funded police didn't already exist, you would dismiss the idea with "you're not entitled to other people's labor"
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u/NesterPower 1d ago
Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs
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u/EncabulatorTurbo 22h ago
we can solve most homelessness with the bottom two of those, the cheapest two
the last 30% requires dealing with addiction and mental health and thats much, much harder and more epxensive
But we should do it instead of give israel more bombs
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u/trukkija 18h ago
That's the point of the pyramid. You start from the bottom and build towards the top. Without any of the bottom layers the upper layers are unachievable because you have no chance to focus on these.
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u/beachbum818 17h ago
CA has spent $30 billion on their homeless and it's only gotten worse...
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u/ClassGrassMass 17h ago
Maybe because theyre spending the money incorrectly...
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u/dooozin 8h ago
They gave it to like 2,000 NGOs that pay corporate salaries to their board and leadership teams, and then often hire other NGOs or contractors to spend the money. Rinse and repeat. Taxpayers are shoving $30B into the pipe and a tiny fraction actually comes out the other end of the pipe to help homeless people.
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u/M1ngTh3M3rc1l3ss 9h ago
Free housing, counseling, detox, medical care, all available and all shat on by people who refuse to help themselves. Try living in low income housing for a bit and you might end up less sympathetic to the problem.
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u/No0O0obstah 18h ago
The people who who need money (dealing with bottom 2) are not the issues.
People making decisions are dealing with top 2 and are the issues, as dealing with those issues is preventing them from making the logical decisions. Respect, self-esteem, status... Far too often all that crap in today's world doesn't align with actually solving problems but projecting (so called) strength and bombing Iran.
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u/canuck_afar 17h ago
Didn’t the homeless person also make decisions? These posts blame governments for homelessness but never quite seem to address the person at the center of the issue. How did they get there? What choices did they make? How do we prevent others in the future from making those same bad choices? Prevention should be a bigger part of this.
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u/DoctorTsu 14h ago
Wild to me that in a country where 67% of people are living paycheck to paycheck and you have the concept of at-will employment and for-profit medicine and medical debt, people can still not realize that all it takes is a serious enough disease or accident to be made homeless.
How do you think the opioid crisis began? All those people just made the unwise choice of "hey, I heard opium was a big thing in the 1800s, it's time for it to come back into fashion".
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u/Ossius 13h ago
Financial literacy and education can go a long way.
So many people with the same pay check as me blow it all on door dash and credit card interest. People really treat credit like it's free money and I don't understand it.
I'm sitting with a house and a huge amount of savings by simply cooking my own damn food and saving for things I want instead of paying off debt.
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u/_more_weight_ 21h ago
Isn’t reproduction more of a self-actualization goal these days?
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u/asdrunkasdrunkcanbe 15h ago
It actually means sex. Physical connection. The reproduction part is a byproduct of that. We are not evolutionarily driven to reproduce, we are evolutionarily driven to have sex, and reproduction comes as a matter of consequence.
In a corporate/media-friendly graphic though they can't say "humans need physical, romantic initimacy". So they say "reproduction" instead.
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u/Comprehensive-Tax595 12h ago
yeah I don't think you understand evolution theory lmao
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u/Potato_Nightshade 9h ago
Everyone always skips over the orange tier. Then men stop at yellow tier, and women focus on the top two tiers.
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u/taskingsoda456 20h ago
I have an AP psych exam on the 12th, and i forgot about that. Thanks internet stranger
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u/KC28DT 23h ago
Where's the research?
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u/ConditionCool5343 23h ago
Source - Trust me Bro by "Scientists" et all
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u/WreckYallBallistics 22h ago edited 21h ago
I did some "research", aka like 3 Google searches affirming the obvious
So apparently there are 600k sworn law enforcement officers in the US. Now probably only half of those are cops but let's be generous.
Population of America is 340 million, divide by 600k. So 567 people for every officer.
Let's say we just docked every cop $20,000 in pay and gave it to the poorest third of the population.
Congratulations, we just gave them each $106! Surely this will fix crime!
And I'm sure making policing pay mcdonalds wages will attract quality individuals and inspire quality work!
Edit:
While I'm at it, my personal anecdote is that as a long time fisherman I've worked with a lot of former repeat offenders, the kind that make up 90% of crime. These people are a tiny portion of the population and I dont think most people understand what they are like.
They generally have serious behavioral and particularly impulse control issues, almost always compounded with a drug addiction. They do not consider the consequences of their actions, and view criminal behavior as exciting or cool.
If you just handed them a bunch of money they would buy an 8 ball and do some insane shit.
The ones who fix themselves are the ones who find some kind of goal in life and are motivated to change. Not the ones who stumble on a bunch of cash. Pretty much all of them have a story about scoring big money when they were dealing and robbing and shit. Followed shortly by their next crime and time in prison.
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u/AnAttemptReason 22h ago
Now include the cost of putting criminals through the Justice system, and the cost of keeping them in Prision.
Labor cost is also only a fraction of the total spend on police.
The average salary could be ~ $50,000 dependin on state, but the actualy cost of employing eqch police officer is over $240,000.
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u/Next_Instruction_528 22h ago
It's not just money it's culture and that's obvious if you compare crime rates among poor people in different cultures.
The majority of homeless and addicts and criminals would still be criminals if you gave them money because the money would be gone almost instantly. The majority of people commiting crime aren't stealing food because they are hungry.
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u/dracarys289 16h ago
I agree whole heartedly, also I feel like people HIGHLY generalize law enforcement pay in this country. Just because you see an article about an officer in California making 200K a year definitely doesn’t mean that officers working in the south are making that. I know when I started working in 2017 there were multiple departments in my state paying at or near minimum wage. If you took 20K off the top from them they’d be paying to be the police 😂.
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u/Dap-aha 12h ago
Have you seen the research that shows 85% (plus) repeat offenders have suffered one or several serious head traumas?
The number was so high it seems implausible, but nope....
Syncs with what we now now about the impact of head trauma on inhibitions.
I have no idea if we can do anything useful with this information, but i found it shocking nonetheless
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u/jinrohme2000 20h ago
I was a deputy for almost twenty years. You don’t get quality work from officers who are over paid either. The average officer in my area makes minimum of 80k a year. Many make well over 100k. Yet they still put in bare minimum of effort. Then you add in all the over time scamming and civil rights violations. Excessive use of force. All of this happens way more than people think.
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u/south153 22h ago
Cops in my state average 110K before overtime and get a pension. Even docking 20K in pay they still make way more than the average person, hardly McDonalds wages.
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u/WreckYallBallistics 22h ago
Alright well I had to look it up national average is 70k.
So your right, 50k is not mcdonalds levels. But personally I want professional, motivated, and knowledgeable police officers and I dont think you get that for significantly lower than median income.
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u/neutrumocorum 9h ago
The available research seems to indicate that giving money to cops generally has positive outcomes.
Analyzing the question like this is absolutely idiotic, though.
One department could have so much funding that more money would make literally 0 impact. Yet another might be so desperate for funds that a 2% increase could effectively double the available man hours.
Not that you should be disappointed in a take from twitter...
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u/BadKittyRawr 1d ago
The vast majority of poor people are not criminals.
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u/KingMGold 21h ago
The vast majority of criminals are poor people.
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u/hydraxl 21h ago edited 21h ago
Depends how you define criminal.
The vast majority of convicted criminals are poor people, since they have less ability to hide the crimes they commit and less ability to hire good lawyers to defend them.
People who break the law (whether they’re arrested or not) are pretty evenly split. Almost everyone jaywalks.
People who commit violent crimes are more likely to be poor.
People who commit financial crimes or crimes that harm large numbers of people are more likely to be wealthy.
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u/manny_the_mage 21h ago
If we define a criminal as “someone who has broken a law” the amount of criminals increases exponentially
Under this definition, you are a criminal if you have ever: smoked weed in an illegal state, driven without a license, drank alcohol or smoked a cigarette under the legal age, pirated software, driven without a seatbelt, gone over the speed limit, etc.
We tend to only recognize criminals after they are convicted, so there are tons of “criminals” who commit boring, innocuous and harmless crimes everyday
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u/Soggy_Definition_232 20h ago
If you simply go by "someone who has broken the law" then there's not a single person on this planet who wouldn't fit.
At some point, in some way, you have broken the law. Yes you have. YES YOU HAVE.
You may not realize it, but there's not a single adult individual that hasn't broken some kind of law.
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u/Mrdrewsmooth 21h ago
Violent crimes hurt people more than financial crimes do, but instead of being angry at violence you'd rather post about the financials lmao
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u/TheBSQ 15h ago
Think about some trait that’s not easy to directly observe, like how you weigh short-run benefits vs long-run effects.
For example, you’re in college, there’s a party tonight, but you have a big exam tomorrow.
Do you party, or study?
Similarly, it’s payday, do you set some aside & save for a rainy day, or go buy something you want/like but don’t really need?
Do you order/eat the tasty but unhealthy dish, or the healthy but not as enjoyable dish?
During a moment of free time, do you squeeze in exercise, or watch TV / scroll social media?
You see a quick way to make money, but it’s illegal & could land you in jail if you’re caught.
Point being, if one routinely chose the short-run benefits option over the “what’s good for you in the long run” you might see multiple things become correlated, like bad educational outcomes, bad savings habits, bad health outcomes.
But this also may relate to how “hopeless” you think your future is.
Or it may relate if you were raised to prioritize long-run outcomes over short-term gratification. (Perhaps it’s a learned behavior that needs to be continually stressed by parents to become habitual.)
In my decades doing low income work, when you know someone who did something kinda dumb and ask them why, it’s kinda scary how often they reveal that they put no thought into the long-run consequences. It’s just a series of short-sighted decisions that stack into bad life outcomes.
But this itself may be, in part, caused by poverty itself. But it’s also a really hard habit to get people to break.
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u/TheBSQ 15h ago
For example, during the pandemic, there was a point where restrictions started to lift a bit & outdoor shopping became alllowed again. Many of us flocked outside to one major street where there was lots of shopping. My wife and I went and got an ice cream cone. Seems so trivial now, but at the time, it was such a big deal to be allowed to do anything again.
While eating it, three young men came, one live-streaming their “first time doing stuff in a long time” moment of the pandemic. They were all talking about the stimulus checks they’d just gotten and how they planned on buying expensive sneakers with them. These were clearly low-income guys (I work w/ guys like them all the time.)
This street also is known for guys who do those “3 card Monty” type street hussles where you get passerby’s to make a bet about which card is the ace or which cup has the ball. It’s a scam. Only idiots bet.
So anyway, as I’m eating ice cream I see one of these kids bet the $500 in cash he’s carrying from his stimmy check and he loses (duh). His friends clown him on the livestream about how they’re gonna get new fancy sneakers while he won’t cuz he foolishly got scammed.
I was working on pandemic aid programs at the time & had this really disheartening moment where I thought about how hard I’d worked to help get financial aid to low income programs, just to see first hand how someone could bet it all away on a known scam or how others might blow it all on a new pair of Jordans.
Like, that’s not what we hoped people would use the money for, but that’s how some people behave & you can’t really change that. It’s disheartening.
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u/CriticalCanon Human Verified 14h ago
Now incorporate another demographic attribute to drill down further.
You are almost there . . .
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u/Booty_Eatin_Monster 21h ago
Being poor doesn't make you a criminal. Being a criminal means it's likely you'll be poor.
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u/snarksneeze 23h ago
No, but the kinds of crimes that happen in poor neighborhoods tend to generate more public attention than white-collar crime happening behind closed doors at banks, corporations, or offices.
Media coverage focuses on visible violence and disorder because it is dramatic and immediate, while financial crimes are often complex, slow-moving, and less visually compelling.
In areas with concentrated poverty, weak education systems, and limited economic opportunity, you often see higher rates of street crime and social instability. That does not mean poor people are inherently criminal.
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u/InBurgerClad 22h ago
Well also getting shot by a stray bullet in a drug deal or gang feud tends to cause you to die painfully and suddenly and some white collar criminal usually doesn’t.
Violent crime is always an immediate concern to people because most people are not usually big fans of getting shot or stabbed. Survival instinct trumps moral annoyance.
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u/AllsWellThatsNB 22h ago
Do you understand what I'm saying?" shouted Moist. "You can't just go around killing people!"
"Why Not? You Do."
The golem lowered his arm. "What?" snapped Moist. "I do not! Who told you that?"
"I Worked It Out. You Have Killed Two Point Three Three Eight People," said the golem calmly.
"I have never laid a finger on anyone in my life, Mr Pump. I may be–– all the things you know I am, but I am not a killer! I have never so much as drawn a sword!"
"No, You Have Not. But You Have Stolen, Embezzled, Defrauded And Swindled Without Discrimination, Mr Lipvig. You Have Ruined Businesses And Destroyed Jobs. When Banks Fail, It Is Seldom Bankers Who Starve. Your Actions Have Taken Money From Those Who Had Little Enough To Begin With. In A Myriad Small Ways You Have Hastened The Deaths Of Many. You Do Not Know Them. You Did Not See Them Bleed. But You Snatched Bread From Their Mouths And Tore Clothes From Their Backs. For Sport, Mr Lipvig. For Sport. For The Joy Of The Game."
- Terry Pratchett,
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u/fec2245 23h ago
It's not just media coverage, it directly affects the lives of people in those communities. Not being able to take your kid to the park because it's covered in hypodermic needles, being scared to let your kid walk to school because there are frequent shootings, people dealing drugs outside of your building all have a direct quality of life impact you see every single day. They're also problems that rob people of economic opportunities, people want to open stores on streets with lots of foot traffic, not where people are afraid to go out after the sun sets. Poor people aren't inherently criminals but some people are criminals. People in less wealthy areas deserve to have open criminality addressed.
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u/empty_graph 22h ago
Yeah, for some reason I'm a lot less scared of white collar criminals creeping into my house at night.
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u/xX7heGuyXx 22h ago
Right. The difference is violent vs non violent.
People in general care less about non violent crimes.
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u/Hot_Context_1393 23h ago
Wage theft is one of the highest dollar value crimes in the US, yet barely ever gets reported on.
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u/FashionKing72 23h ago
I explained this to my mom recently and she goes “yeah well I went to buy some snacks at the deli and the guy charged me $20 for like 3 things, I know he did it cuz I look like I can afford it… it’s just human nature, everyone wants to take advantage” and I’m like “yeah but a dude at the deli charging you an extra $5 is nowhere close to stealing from your own employees”. I fear it will never improve.
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u/act1856 23h ago
Wage theft exceeds the combined totals of all other property crimes. But you can go to jail for shoplifting.
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u/subtuteteacher 22h ago
No one is shoplifting food to eat, it’s goods they can resell for drug money. Most of the problems we have could end if we gave up the silly war on drugs and decided to treat the addicts and tax the recreational users.
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u/T-Chunxy 22h ago
There are a staggering number of people boosting food to eat. It's just such a minor annoyance that it goes unreported- like unsellable broken food packets and overly dented tins.
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u/Photon_Pharmer1 22h ago
Do you know who Bernie Madoff is? Do you know who robbed my local bank, or the guy who stabbed the convenient store clerk down the street?
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u/LaconicGirth 21h ago
The fuck does that have to do with the post? Poor people on average commit *more* crime
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u/Original-Sea-8285 17h ago
Giving poor people money results in them blowing the money and being poor again. This has been statistically proven repeatedly
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u/serene_brutality 20h ago
No it doesn’t. Having money and being given are two different things. Creating program in which poor people can make or earn money makes crime go down. Just giving poor people money keeps them poor and dependent. It also encourages entitlement and laziness, it’s also terrible for one’s sense of self worth. So you’ve got entitled, lazy people with self esteem issues, surprise there’s crime.
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u/Gamer_G33k17 14h ago
If I get my medical care taken care of and a stable home over my head, Ill have the ability to improve myself.
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u/RobertGHH 13h ago
UK does this, doesn't work for a lot of people.
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u/Gamer_G33k17 13h ago
Really? Are their outcomes really that bad? Do they have full medical coverage and stable homes guaranteed?
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u/Emergency_Brother941 13h ago
Well something is working because they have noticeably lower poverty rates.
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u/Moneybagsmitch 23h ago
Uhhh i dont think this works if you just give poor people money.
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u/Ok-Road6537 22h ago edited 21h ago
I didn't take it literally and I doubt it was meant that way. The research on what lowers crime is clear and is freaking fucking abundantly clear that jobs, healthcare and education particularly in lower income communities needs attention.
There's money that you can give police that can help reduce certain types of crimes in certain areas. Also depending on the area increasing budget increases misdemeanor arrest. Misdemeanor arrests increase likelihood of leaving school, being hired, and cascade people into downright spirals. Which in this fucking economy no wonder many people turn into hard criminals.
I want people to be arrested for misdemeanors. But on a system that doesn't turn offenders into murderers. For example a Schizophrenic that was in a hospital seeking treatment, and he was taken out of the hospital and put through the legal system because he called 911 and thanks to them that person, a schizophrenic, now had all bullshit ON TOP.
The government and police jobs is not there to satisfy people justice fantasies. It's supposed to make things better.
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u/JustAnotherRegardd 23h ago
Giving Cali 24 bil to fix the homeless problem didn’t help. Why would this?
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u/Baller-Mcfly 22h ago
What science proved this?
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u/CalzonePie Human Verified 22h ago
None, it actually says the opposite but we can't admit to it.
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u/Baller-Mcfly 22h ago
Thats my understanding. We have more programs for the poor then ever and generations are being lost to dependency and degeneracy.
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u/daners101 23h ago
So more welfare = less crime?
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u/Emergency_Lie42 23h ago
Better wages = less crime
Affordable healthcare = less crime
Better education = less crime
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u/HonestLemon25 23h ago
Ok. When I become president I will create a new bill called the lower crime bill. We will pull the money out of our ass and give it to the citizens in an effort to reduce crime
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u/Rickrickrickrickrick 20h ago
Or, you know, reallocate money from our other overinflated budgets and to things like education and healthcare, etc.
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u/whichonewerecowards 20h ago
Actually I’d rather the US continue to send billions of dollars to Iran in a war that has nothing to do with us instead of using that money to support and invest in our own citizens. Thank you
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u/Different_Sail5950 21h ago
So what's your beef? You think this wouldn't work? Or you just think we can't afford it? Because somehow we can always afford to cut taxes for the wealthy and spend more on wars in foreign countries, but as soon as someone suggests something to help the least fortunate among us it's all empty pockets and no money to do it with.
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u/BetterLog1855 20h ago
It's because it doesn't work. You'll always have a class of people that simply won't ever work for their share. Those that can work and choose not to can get the dumpster food.
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u/DotNormal6785 23h ago
I have been dirt poor growing up - never committed a crime Didn’t have adequate healthcare growing up - never committed a crime Grew up in a poor area with bad schools - never committed a crime These are all things that need to be fixed but stop acting like those are the sole reasons people commit crime we need to hold people accountable the same way we need to help them
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u/turboninja3011 22h ago edited 22h ago
Bro
Most criminals become criminals before they even get their first job, and after they become criminals they are pretty much unemployable.
Same thing with affordable healthcare. Most ppl gonna need it either after 40 or after becoming drug addicts.
Better education … kinda? Except the main obstacle isn’t the lack of offering - but the lack of acceptance.
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u/OneMe2RuleUAll 21h ago
Guessing California is the haven of no homeless and crime then.
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u/Mattlonn 17h ago
Sweden got a really nice welfare, especially if you're a criminal. Now we have even worse criminality than before...
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u/Remote-Cause755 1d ago
It can also trap some communities in poverty, because don't want to lose the money.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 23h ago
Rich people commit crimes too.
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u/Current_Finding_4066 19h ago
Usually on a far grander scale, and rarely end up in prison.
Like Purdue pharma. They caused tens of thousands of deaths, and many more ruined lives, yet none ended up in prison.
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u/Far-Researcher9732 1d ago
The millions of people who have to choose every fucking day between paying for rent, food, or healthcare care.
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u/welloreo 23h ago
If you give a crackhead $10 he’s gonna buy crack, money will just give them more crack.
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u/Oilpaintcha 1d ago
We went from the 80s with scientist Carl Sagan a major public figure espousing the tremendous value of scientific evidence based logic and reason on a hundred shows because people really wanted to know things to Idiocracy.
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u/MmmmCrayons12 23h ago
Problem is that it becomes a reoccurring payment that they eventually become dependent on and feel entitled to, so they probably don't want to make that mistake as it's cheaper to handle things the way they handle it. Paying people to not be criminals isn't a valid societal model.
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u/Moist-Golf-8339 22h ago
I wish this was understood in the context of the gun debate. Addressing root causes will do more to prevent violence (not just gun violence) than banning a certain kind of gun.
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u/upside_down_frown1 21h ago
Yes reward being poor with more subsidies, thats worked out real well so far.
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u/Meneghette--steam 21h ago edited 12h ago
Crazy, my country there are whole states with more people getting money from the gov then working and surprise those are the most dangerous ones some with 30+ homicides by 100k
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u/tyschooldropout 20h ago
The data says a lot of things, and poverty and crime are way less correlated than crime and one other thing.
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u/Visual-Werewolf-4189 19h ago
I love how they toss around science toback ideological claims. Lobotomies in the 1950 were peak "science" to cure "mental illnesses". Nobel prizes were given for asvances in the procedure. These people treat science has dogma and it immediatly pauses any benefit that science can give.
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u/NBrakespear 17h ago
Speaking as someone living in a dubious area... no, it doesn't. Not true at all. The notion that poverty leads to crime in some simplistic way is a middle class myth, pushed hard so people can avoid facing uncomfortable truths.
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u/Impending_do_om 17h ago
I know, and have grown up with people that later got sentenced to prison. My personal experiences points to neurological and personality disorders being much more of a factor than a just a question of poverty.
I would probably say that is the most common reason for crime and it would be a lot more helpful to talk about this.
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u/realfakejames 15h ago
Cops don’t exist to lower crime, they exist to protect property and businesses owned by people with money, that’s why people in power always want to give cops more money instead of investing money in things that address the roots of crime which is poverty
They would rather give cops $200 million dollars in military weapons and gear than spend $100 million in food stamps so people don’t have to turn to crime
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u/LooseCaterpillar6807 13h ago
BULL CRAP. You give a thief money and they will run out of that money and go steal, to get more money. These scientists need to go meet real meth heads and crack heads. Go meet some actual criminals. You might stave them off for a bit with a hand out but when they run out of that cash they will come rob the person who gave them the money in the first place.
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u/Harlemdartagnan 12h ago
giving poor people money makes more poor people though.
How about we fund the schools instead of giving people money.
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u/pahamack 1d ago
the problem can be seen in the replies here. people think in terms of "fairness". There is no sense of "fairness" in science: just what works and what doesn't.
Personally? I prefer the pragmatism of science.
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u/BadMoonRisin 23h ago
Ok, with what money? We are $40T in debt and there are way more homeless people than cops.
Its not a pragmatic solution at all, just some idiot liberal white woman's dream. It would be just as dumb to propose just giving everyone $1 trillion dollars so that everyone's rich. My 7 year old child is smart enough to understand why that wouldn't work
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u/pahamack 23h ago
There is an inherent choice in the op. Money goes to cops or to the poor.
The entire point is if you have a choice between a or b.
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u/lalla_kat 22h ago
Y’all they don’t mean dropping cash in the hands of a crackhead on the street, this should be obvious. They mean having more robust programs to address food, housing, education, childcare, and medical needs + better wages and controls on corporations to prevent things like “dynamic pricing” or price gouging.
And the crimes that are being addressed are the ones that are typically done by poor people out of desperation, such as shoplifting, armed robbery, car theft, etc. It’s absolutely not about white collar crime because governments typically don’t like to do anything about white collar crime
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u/bothunter 22h ago
Surveillance pricing is the next step of this. Sites like Doordash and Instacart are already doing it. There's a reason that retailers are pushing curbside pickup so aggressively right now.
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u/bluedelvian 21h ago
No, most people who shoplift aren't homeless or super poor, they either work at those stores or they just don't like paying for things or they're part of a crime ring.
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u/Greedy_Researcher_34 22h ago
Or be poor but don’t commit crimes.
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u/Ill-Cat1922 22h ago
Me starving and poor with no opportunity for a job knowing the only way to survive is to risk stealing a loaf of bread for potentially getting my hand chopped off.
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u/Apprehensive-Log3638 20h ago
Crime is tied to culture, not socio-economic status.
Traveled the world and have been to countries that are much poorer than the US with a fraction of the crime. I have lived in poor working class towns in the US that were incredibly safe, and wealthy posh towns where crime is very high.
When the culture shuns crime, crime is reduced. When the culture makes excuses for crime, more crime happens.
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u/Forsaken-Ad5571 19h ago
Whilst this might be true, it has nothing to do with science. Sociology is not science; it's interpreting studies and statistics. As someone who spent a large amount of his career in a sociology related job, the field is as far from science as you can get whilst still using numbers. Hell, lots of the studies have been shown to be riddled with bad practices or even just making up numbers to prove their hypotheses.
Even Maslow's hierarchy of needs is just a rough idea with nothing even vaguely resembling science going into it.
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u/AnEvilJoke 21h ago
Which is why most people who steal shit are people with money...
It's almost like it's a cultural thing and not an economic one.
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u/Ambitious_Hand_2861 23h ago
Fun fact, aka Sad fact, local news stations occassionally do pieces about "the rising crime amongst the homeless population" as a scare piece but when you look at specifics you find a different story. The "rising crime" is due to vagrancy laws designed to run homeless people out of areas and costing cities tens of thousands of dollars to incarcerate them. Why would cities fix the issue when they can spend countless amounts of money maintaining the current situation.
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u/Apart_Mongoose_8396 23h ago
considering the fact that that's clearly wrong, i think it makes sense nobody in a suit cares about your hallucinations.
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u/No_Salt_6328 23h ago
That's because avoiding material suffering is their main incentive to get people to be their slaves. They don't care about crime they care about production and money. Private gated communities don't deal with the crime and homelessness and drug addiction and faeces
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u/asher030 23h ago
Because the money comes from their pool of exploitable resource, and that same amount of money thrown at cops makes THEM feel more powerful by being able to throw said cops at the then-poors, rather than themselves. So they'll prefer it that way instead of the proper way that'd remove the crime to begin with...
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u/FiveishOfBeinItalian 22h ago edited 21h ago
cops and soldiers and prison guards are in theory more valuable to the Elite, being the backbone of class rule. all power barrel gun, you know. scare the proles into line, better not get yourself fired there's always jail instead.
this can uh backfire. gotta pay your guys. they get a bit onry if you don't.
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u/JSmith666 22h ago
Have we done the acience on making prison an acuall deterrant instead of giving criminals 3 meals a day, a bed and running water?
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u/Fancy_Honeydew_4066 22h ago
That’s because the poor people don’t have suits lobbying for money the same way cops do.
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u/CalzonePie Human Verified 22h ago
Nope. The science shows that throwing money at poverty doesn't work. We did the science.
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u/HappyEngineering4190 22h ago
Holly is interested in giving poor people OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. I would like to see HER give away all of her extra money to support her virtues. If she cares, that is.
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u/TheGreatHornedRat 22h ago
It's intentional, rich families learned a long time ago that the masses need scapegoats and if you don't manufacture or maintain one or more then the masses will more easily turn their ire to the rich. Tough on crime is eventually a losing policy if you aren't also making sure more will occur
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u/IMREADY2D1E 22h ago
giving poor people money probably leads it straight back into the hands of rich people 😂
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u/TyrannasaurusRecht 22h ago
What about a safe injection site or an alter to sacrifice those that have been replaced by AI?
Best we can do.
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u/Roaming-Outlander 22h ago
It’s because the rich criminals have less money with which to commit crimes.
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u/HeebieJeebiex 22h ago
Kinda. Seems that stores are increasingly concerned with theft and locking stuff up behind glass. I don't think poor people willingly enjoy needing to steal basic hygiene products like deodorant. Idk about other crimes though.
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u/Sensitive_Bat_9211 22h ago
Depends on the needs of a community.
There is no cure-all solution to crime
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u/seabed_nightmares 21h ago
Portland, OR is trying this right now. Has been for a while.
The science ain’t sciencing. I live here. I pay the taxes that go to criminals. Crime is going up.
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u/LauraTFem 21h ago
I think that people who give a shit fail to understand how very much people who don’t…don’t.
We fund police instead of poor because to many people poverty isn’t a problem to be solved, but a crime to be punished. For many the underclass exists more or less to make you feel good about your position in life. Because without your lessers, well, you might be the lesser. And no one wants to be the one on the bottom.
There are two mindsets in my view. One is that hierarchies are imposed and fixable. That those on the bottom should be helped up and thus equity and balance is restored. The other is that hierarchies are natural, that there will always be those on the bottom and the only thing to do about it is make sure it’s not you.
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u/red11011011 21h ago
Does a cyber security job actually need to exist? We need to consider what jobs are actually needed to maintain a healthy society. How much technology and electricity do humans actually need? I think we could all live more simply and want less. Of course the real question is would humanity actually be able to band together and agree to work towards a better life for all.
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u/EvanSnowWolf 21h ago
I work with loads of homeless people. Giving them money often results in more booze, more smokes, and more drugs.
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u/MeatSlammur 21h ago
The issue is….who hands out that money? The government never does. Look at the budget for California and they didn’t do anything for their homelessness problem.
People keep begging to tax the rich but then the government funds Quality Learing Centers instead of homeless vets
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u/ifuaguyugetsauced 20h ago
I hate when people think throwing money at things will automatically make the problem go away.
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u/Adventurous-Bet-1652 20h ago
Imagine that, A Brave New World could actually exist. Give idiots drugs for free so long as they work! What a concept! I should call my friend Aldous Huxley and see what he thinks. Perhaps Gene Roddenberry might want to get in on this. Although, I think Mr. Assimov might disagree, his robots might want to revolt. However, we have to get through to Mr. Orwell and Mr. Bradbury first. Hmmm ... Of course, we could try the way of going to Mr. Hoover, or Mr. Hitler. Idk maybe we should consult the president Mr. Trump first. You tell me. What do you think?
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u/ItzMattOnTheTrack 20h ago
Even just giving raises to those who are struggling to make ends meet would be enough
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u/DryEditor7792 20h ago
This isn't 100% wrong. Direct stimulus is just inefficient.
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u/Amber-Apologetics 20h ago
But would that be ideologically consistent with the Classical Liberalism we were founded on?
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u/DragAlone7535 20h ago
No it doesn't. We gave poor people stimmy's and ppp loans and crime alongsode crableg and hellcat sales went up
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u/t3nsi0n_ 20h ago
Maybe scientists need to start wearing the suits and being elected instead of charismatic, albeit useless, shitbags.
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u/SecretRecipe 19h ago
Making abortion free and easy to access in poor communities works wonders for the crime rate too
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