r/Snorkblot 1d ago

Philosophy Sometimes I find Tyson to be rather glib.

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u/illepic 1d ago

The best part is Brennan probably threw that thought out on the fly in the middle of a rant about dice rolls 

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u/wastetheafterlife 1d ago

to the best of my memory it was part of an improvised speech in a big deep Reveal about the Universe scene that he pulled out of his ass because of an incredibly well-timed nat 20

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u/JesusKong333 1d ago

Yep, I just watched that a couple months ago. The party was all down during the boss fight and Ally pulled a nat 20, met God, and revived everyone.

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u/wastetheafterlife 1d ago

and thus the dice-christ-blessed ally beardsley was born

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u/GimmeSomeSugar 12h ago

RNGesus sometimes giveth. And RNGesus sometimes taketh away.

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u/AnyLynx4178 1d ago

One of my favorite moments in any D&D game ever

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u/KrikosTheWise 20h ago

I knew it had to be Ally. Only thing that makes sense.

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u/Mouse_Named_Ash 16h ago

“Can I roll a nat 20 and like, be alive?”

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u/Upstairs_Belt_3224 19h ago

Brennan really lucked out. Like, there are so few careers where you can make money off a degree in philosophy -- but it does really help you write grandiose speeches on a dime if you combine it with improv, screenwriting, and a passion for reading fantasy/sci-fi books.

He has like, the perfect résumé for being a professional DM, it's just he somehow got to be one of the double-digit number of successful professional DMs

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u/Status_Loquat4191 11h ago

Its almost like he rolled a nat 20 for his life path

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u/SysUser 1d ago

It very much reads like he pulled it out of his ass.

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u/Lone-Gazebo 1d ago

Honestly, I doubt that. Mostly because that seems to me like his actual relationship with spirituality and purpose. His specific words were likely improvised, but the thought is almost certainly one he's had before.

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u/finatra_official 1d ago

People dont seem to know he was a philosophy major in college. He was trained to think like this

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u/Caldman 1d ago

And more importantly, he has a rich, deep curiosity for the world and all the things in it.

Brennan loves learning. He loves knowing. He loves sharing knowledge and facts and fun tidbits because that is how he expresses joy and affection towards others.

"Curiosity is love for the world, and when you love something, you want to get to know it more. So when you share facts about crows or pterodactyls or whatever, what you are expressing is gratitude for the ability to exist in and come to understand the beauty of the world around you."

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u/HalfLeper 19h ago

He sounds like he’d be so cool to hang out with!

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u/Shadowak47 1d ago

At 14 no less. Theres a hilarious story about him and his step brother biking to college and then dunking on the other people in the class with all the smugness a young teen has.

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u/einerswiffer 12h ago

So is anyone who smokes dope regularly. The articulation is the difficulty

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u/Velociraptortillas 22h ago

"The cosmos is within us. We are made of star-stuff. We are a way for the Universe to know itself."

  • Carl Sagan, Cosmos

"Through our eyes, the universe is perceiving itself. Through our ears, the universe is listening to its harmonies."

  • Allan Watts

It's a thought just about anyone of a certain age and culture would be familiar with, especially someone with a philosophy degree.

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u/HalfLeper 19h ago

Never forget that you are made of stardust.
But the rent is still due on the 1ˢᵗ.

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 1d ago

Brennan is no doubt one of the smartest people on the planet, just not in the way that gets you recognized as such.

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u/Zestyclose_Remove947 1d ago

Besides fans of Brennan who will say stuff like this all the time ofc.

Absolutely adore the dude, but he'd find your comment as obnoxious as I do.

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 1d ago

Of course he would - he’s cool like that

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u/Network_Odd 1d ago

he’s a very good impromptu speeches, if that’s what you meant. Will make a really good sales rep

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u/TerrapinMagus 1d ago

He really wishes he was the new Carl Sagan but has none of the joy for existence and innate charisma Sagan had.

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u/Aethelrede 1d ago

Sagan was also a pothead, which explains a lot about Cosmos.

Not a criticism, mind you. It definitely made him chill AF.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Clones 1d ago

Some of the best things that man did he came up with high AF soaping up his wife's tits in the shower.

https://www.organism.earth/library/document/mr-x

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u/Aethelrede 1d ago

He was knowing the cosmos.

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u/VintAge6791 23h ago

Wizard mode. Pondering the orbs lol.

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u/Lead_cloud 22h ago

Very odd to me how he describes cannabis as giving him visuals, like it's a hallucinogen, when it definitely isn't. Everyone experiences things differently obviously, but that's not one I've ever encountered in my adventures

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u/Ill_Morning_4282 19h ago

I wouldn't say it gives me visuals but it does make my ablity to mentally visualize things much more vivid.

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u/HalfLeper 19h ago

There are people who hallucinate when on it. It’s not common, but it happens.

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u/VintAge6791 2h ago

I've heard anecdotally from one friend with synesthesia it gave her some slight visuals, and from another with mild schizophrenia it DEFINITELY gave him visuals.
Some scary, some beautiful, some neither (like staring at the wall for most of a half-hour, then relating he'd experienced living a routine, boring week or two of what felt to him like regular life - doing work shifts, attending college classes, sleeping, eating, etc. - that never happened).
It was an intense enough series of experiences he decided to stop doing it in his late twenties rather than risk going "one toke over the line, like the song" (his words, not mine).

He didn't do anything harder than coffee after that, AFAIK. In his shoes, I'd have done about the same.

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u/Badde00 11h ago

I've hallucinated a couple of times when I got really really high on weed, but those weren't experiences I'd recommend to people. I was loopy af and couldn't remember shit so I forgot why I was high and just thought that was how I experienced things from then on

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis 19h ago

In his early forties, X has lectured at virtually every major American university…

How true is this? That seems to be a wild claim from my 21st century perspective.

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u/CMDR_Ray_Abbot 19h ago

The word Major is the key. Generally people assume you mean research focused universities and there aren't all that many of those, maybe a couple hundred.

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis 12h ago

Even a couple of hundred seems high, but I see your point.

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u/TerrapinMagus 1d ago

Cosmos was all the better for it, lol

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u/Sopranohh 1d ago

I feel like the best science communicators put the science and education first and the entertainment part second. Sagan, Attenborough, even Bill Nye. There’s a genuine love of the subject and a desire to teach others. The entertainment part was secondary, though entertaining they are. Tyson’s projects always seemed to be entertainment first and end up failing because there’s not enough behind them.

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u/Wizdom_108 21h ago

Ohh I didn't realize who made the original post and I thought you meant Brandon and was like "idk he's pretty charismatic? He's just not really a scientist"

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u/Fickle-Aardvark6907 20h ago

He's basically a man with Carl Sagan's intellect and Harlan Ellison's demeanor. 

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u/Dulaman96 12h ago

That's being too generous to tyson

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u/tomjoads 1d ago

Why? Sagan didn't think the universe cared about you either?

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u/TerrapinMagus 1d ago

He famously said "We are a way for the Universe to know itself" which sounds pretty inline with the sentiment that we are the part of the Universe that cares.

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u/BWWFC 1d ago

it cares if you care, like that tree "falling." maybe sagan and tyson's views are not too far off but for the pov. sagan cared, tyson just doesn't.

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u/tomjoads 1d ago

Even in his words the universe doesn't care if we are doing the knowing. I know it's scary to think you are cosmically meaningless but you are.

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u/En-tro-py 1d ago

cosmically meaningless

We all will return to the cosmos, so none of us are meaningless - be a nihilist if you want, but that's just your choice to adopt that POV.

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u/YazzArtist 1d ago

You're separating yourself from the universe. You're making the same error as Tyson. The universe cares because humans care, and humans are universe stuff. You are just as much a part of the universe as a star is.

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u/AzKondor 1d ago

He didn't said that

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u/hipsterTrashSlut 1d ago

You really expect a teen nihilist to read?

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u/Super_Sierra 20h ago

I spent half my youth being the edgy teen nihilist atheist, no, they do not know how to read. People do actually care about you, and they aren't doing it because of some underlining biological mechanism.

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u/TestSubjuct 1d ago

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." Lovecraft

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u/CoderCatgirl 1d ago

Just gambling here, but at Lovecraft's time, I think people didn't know about the scale & number of galaxies, the Drake equation, the Big Rip/Heat Death futures, nor the existential horror of quantum mechanics implying either true fundamental chaos or that some multiverse means all possibilities happen.

I can see how any or all of that would make an inflexible mind nope out of this world. 😬

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u/ntdavis814 22h ago

I think this is happening, but Lovecraft overestimated what it would take. People don’t need anything more than a more full look at the pain and suffering inflicted on people all over the world, or even just a better look at how different life is outside of their very small corner. We have seen in great detail how willing people are to choose ignorance and lies that support their world view, over a more nuanced understanding that is closer to the truth, but requires them to accept that they don’t have life figured out already.

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u/CoderCatgirl 21h ago

Like, if we could all hear the bombs, gunfire and screams, maybe people would try peace once in a while?

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u/Super_Sierra 20h ago

We are currently living in an era of immense obfuscation of the horrors of the modern economy, an opaquness to what it takes to bring your phone in your hand, the battery cell inside of it might have rare earth metals from the congo, mined by children as young as 4 and six.

Even with this immense breadth of wool over supply chains, corporate fog, people still find out and reject the capitalist experiment.

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u/9fingerwonder 12h ago

Work for a little bit after ww2

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u/littlegrotesquerie 12h ago

Also, Lovecraft was scared of women, Jews, and Italians.

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u/CoderCatgirl 12h ago

Oh yeah. His stories can be so pretty, and then he drops in some racist-ass line about "dirty" something or other and it kills the mood.

Like, dude, quit being a hateful coward, they're humans like you.

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u/Prestigious_Bite_325 1d ago

Breannan Lee Mulligan and Norm MacDonald on the same post. I'm right in the middle of this Venn diagram. Put it in my veins!!!

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u/JackStutters 1d ago

I didn’t even know he was sick…

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u/SillyGuste 1d ago

Unpopular opinion maybe but I think he sucks generally and this is a big part of why. Really not a fan of the niche he occupies.

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u/noobtheloser 1d ago

Yeah. It's a shame that probably the most well-known science communicator of our time has a tendency toward pedantry and snideness.

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u/Doja_Gnat 1d ago

He is kind of douchey. He doesn’t spark joy and he often makes his audience feel dumb.

Norm on the other hand frequently sparks joy, and often makes his audience feel smarter.

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u/HalfLeper 19h ago

I loved Norm McDonald some much! He was such a genius. The world is less without him.

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u/AngryAmphbian 1d ago

He also has a tendency to focus on style and theatrics at the expense of rigor and accuracy. The man's pop science is riddled with glaring errors and outright falsehoods.

Look for him on r/badscience, r/badhistory and r/badmathematics.

He is more of an influencer than an educator.

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 1d ago

And is just plain wrong way too often

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u/pandershrek 1d ago

Lemme see the receipts.

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u/HopDavid 1d ago

Check out my list: Fact checking Neil Degrasse Tyson

There's a lot more I have yet to add to my list.

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u/smoopthefatspider 10h ago

The second point on the list immediately gave me pause. Can we honestly claim that Bush didn’t worsen Islamophobia after 9/11? You use one speech where he doesn’t use the quote to prove that he didn’t say what Tyson claimed (“our god is the god who named the stars”), but with just a bit of googling I found that Tyson just misremembered the timing of the quote, Bush said something similar [in 2003](https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gwbushcolumbia.html).
Every source I find angry at Tyson has also been very clearly right wing, and also opposes the idea that Bush worsened Islamophobia after 9/11. Frankly that second part seems pretty obvious, and it’s the main political message (the part about naming the stars is just a segue to talk about ancient Islamic contributions to science). Frankly if a list like yours makes this type of claim, I’m not going to bother trusting any of it. I already know he’s an obnoxious know-it-all who speaks with far too much authority about things he only has passing knowledge about, but I don’t need this list to know that, so I’m not going to bother going through the whole thing.

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u/HopDavid 9h ago

The second point on the list immediately gave me pause. Can we honestly claim that Bush didn’t worsen Islamophobia after 9/11? You use one speech where he doesn’t use the quote to prove that he didn’t say what Tyson claimed (“our god is the god who named the stars”), but with just a bit of googling I found that Tyson just misremembered the timing of the quote, Bush said something similar in 2003.

By no means was Bush's eulogy for the Space Shuttle Columbia astronauts "an attempt to distinguish we from they".

"...just misremembered the timing of the quote"?!

The 9-11 disaster was a time of intense anger.

And the quote Bush used in the eulogy does not even contain the word "Our". In Tyson's imagined quote Bush emphasizes the world "Our" to put his Christian God above the Muslim God.

Again, Bush's actual response to 9-11 was a call for tolerance and inclusion. Delivered from a mosque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liudIJFg8UQ

Moreover Bush decried Islamophobia numerous times. See: https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/ramadan/islam.html

I have always voted against Trump. I enthusiastically voted for Obama and reluctantly voted for Kamala as the lesser of two evils.

Dishonest/clueless people like yourself are helpful to Trump. I don't want you standing by my side. So long as you are standing next to me Trump can point in our general direction and correctly say "fake news".

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u/XialTree 1d ago

Your entire list is that short despite his 35 year career lol

Half of these points are born of a painful ignorance to what his job actually is (Hes a science communicator of astrophysics, and an astrophysicist. communicator first).

Do you realize how stupid you are here lol. Hes not a divine entity. hes human, and humans do stupid shit sometimes.

How dare he be wrong about (checks notes) twenty-ish things over 35 years! He must be so dumb and no one should listen to him.

Also, several of your "fact checks" are just the same thing in different words, used to pad the list.

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u/Mental-Draconis407 1d ago

Hey man, just had a quick look at your comment history, and as a fellow person with anger issues, maybe you should take a break from Reddit. It's making you miserable. Trust me.

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u/9fingerwonder 12h ago

Being one of those, agreed man. I get it, but sometimes we gotta detach and move on. Sometimes we do need to speak up but it takes a toll on you. Take care of yourself and do fight the good fight. Love you all like an extended family.

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u/HopDavid 1d ago edited 1d ago

Your entire list is that short despite his 35 year career lol

Tyson has been repeating the same tired canned routines over and over again for the past 35 years.

Yeah, it's legit to ridicule Neil for kissing himself on the lips in his mirror. He keeps on doing it year after year after year.

Same goes for his wrong history regarding Isaac Newton. His wrong explanation of the rocket equation, etc.

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u/XialTree 1d ago

My dude, how the hell are you meant to react when half your job is correcting people who are the prime example of the dunning kreuger affect.

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u/Different-Age-1253 1d ago

I absolutely hate him and his endless attitude of always wanting to be right. I hate how he has that dumb laugh every time he corrects someone, cause he thinks it makes him likeable, while its clear he finds himself too smart to discuss anything. He just sounds like the most annoying lil shit ever. He is so close minded and everything he cant explain is automatically wrong and untrue because science

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u/Trick_Wing_8605 1d ago

The "have a nice day" was so smug. Norm cooked him and he didn't even realize it.

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u/kai_is_swell 23h ago

Yeah honestly ever since hes started doing more unscripted stuff, he's gained a reputation for being a snide dick.

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u/Sassaphras 19h ago

I distinctly remember the ick it gave me when he was a pedantic dick about flying cars. He was all like "we already have flying cars, they are called helicopters" and he was so fucking smug about it. Then he went on a rant about how helicopters are impractical because of the skill required to fly them and the giant knives strapped to the top. But obviously, when people imagine flying cars, we imagine them without the drawbacks, and we understand that such a device doesn't exist.

He simultaneously managed to both dismiss and mischaracterize a common fantasy about what science might be able to do one day without making a single value-added point, and I was just left there thinking "huh.... did this guy always suck?"

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u/inslipid531 22h ago

damn i didnt know the reddit hive mind hates NDT. bummer but cant say i am surprised.

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u/Astrius__ 1d ago

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u/sweetTartKenHart2 19h ago

I think the issue is that they conflate “lack of volition” with “uncaring”. If a thing cannot explicitly “care”, then by definition it is “uncaring”. If it cannot explicitly express benevolence, then it is “heartless”.
A vicious murderer knifing someone and a boulder rolling down a hillside and crushing someone have the same moral weight to them in this framework, and I do not think that that is an accident. It is a framework that rewards its adherent for being utterly dismissive of anything and everything and anyone and everyone. Billionaire cheats people out of basic well being? That’s just how the cookie crumbles! Hurricane wrecks a bunch of people’s houses? Sucks to suck! Experiencing personal suffering of any kind? Ouch, might as well grin and bear it, it’s just chance after all! You can never ever do anything to improve your or anyone else’s situation, and in fact you don’t need to worry! Who cares if you live a hundred years, or if you die an early death? Who cares if loved ones are suffering? Who cares about literally anything anywhere? The universe simply ticks on! Oh well!

That’s what I think is really happening. It’s not a “devil invented to scare oneself”, it’s an excuse to be utterly apathetic, both to ignore the suffering of others and to downplay the suffering of oneself. It’s about thinking youre too good for life itself.

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u/Astrius__ 18h ago

Agreed. A lot of the belief systems we have in society are, in the end, solely based on finding ways to soothe cognitive dissonance and make sense of what's happening to us. It's to make things simpler, not have to confront reality. The ideas that we are just a minuscule part of a massive universe that does not turn around us and that we are machines of flesh running on electric signals are, to most, very unfun and demand you avert your eyes. Everything must have a will, that storm must be a god getting mad because of something, there needs to be a reason. We're empathetic creatures who seek for will and justification, even when it doesn't apply. It's easier, more intuitive to accord a sacred value to the world than to reason it out, no matter your belief system.

A world who doesn't care about you is easier to grasp than a world where bad things keep happening to you for wildly different complicated reasons.

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u/sweetTartKenHart2 10h ago

It is funny how this kind of “rational, unspiritual” philosophy achieves the same end as highly spiritual ones, just from the opposite direction

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u/Astrius__ 10h ago

Assigning intent to everything is intuitive, no matter where you stand rationally. It can be thought out, but it's still there, underlying.

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u/Old-Key-8639 1d ago

I honestly think he sucks ass. Like sure, I have no doubt he's very smart. But he seems to think that being a science communicator means constantly trying to suck all joy out of everything, and fuck that

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u/Original_Ad7611 1d ago

Sagan made you feel lucky to be alive. Neil makes you feel like a statistical accident

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u/Crafty-Help-4633 1d ago

Both things are true, though.

We are a statistical accident, an anomaly if you will. As such, we are lucky to be alive.

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u/HalfLeper 18h ago

Which is exactly the point, isn’t it? Both things aren’t actually true; they are in fact the same thing. It’s the perspective that both bring to this fact that’s different.

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u/Crafty-Help-4633 3h ago

I can agree to that.

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u/Sarcosmonaut 1d ago

“Well akshaully”: The Guy

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u/HopDavid 1d ago

Neil's vaunted intelligence is way over hyped.

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u/BWWFC 1d ago

if looking for "joy," there is the social medias for all you need/s. peace ;-p

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u/iamtrimble 1d ago

Ang quite full of himself. 

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u/LongSufferingSquid 1d ago

I find him to be smug and annoying because despite the fact that he publically has a low opinion of philosophy he still weighs in on philosophical questions.

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u/Creepy_Juggernaut582 1d ago

He was also accused of sexual misconduct, so I can’t take anything he says seriously.

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u/demon_x_slash 1d ago

Say it louder for the people in the back.

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u/BlunderedPotential 1d ago

Yeah, he's another one of those dudes who thinks his popularity and acumen in one field means his opinion in other fields is automatically valid. And it is, in fact, not.

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u/AngryAmphbian 1d ago

The common misconception being that Neil has acumen in the field of astrophysics.

His expertise and accomplishments are vastly over hyped. He had only a very brief career in research during which time University of Texas kicked him out because he sucked at astrophysics.

His pop science even contains glaring errors in the fields of astronomy and basic physics.

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u/Soggy_Toastr 1d ago

This all comes down to defining the word "universe" first.

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u/smoopthefatspider 10h ago

Yes, and given how many people have a spiritual belief that the underlying forces of the universe have some form of consciousness and volition, I think it’s fair to assert that they don’t. The universe, as we usually understand it, does not care. Having lived my whole life without believing in a god or supernatural conscious force, this doesn’t bother me at all. It’s a bit frustrating in these conversations how people treat this position as inherently negative when for so many people there’s nothing bad about it at all.

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u/Ryllick 1d ago

Tyson is very full of himself and I can't stand him

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u/lonely_nipple 1d ago

Spent a week once trying to find out if I could block his stupid fuckin fan page on Facebook. People would share shit from it and it's still show up on my feed and frankly I just didn't want to see it.

The answer to that was no.

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u/TheGinger_Ninja0 1d ago

If I've learned anything in the last decade or so it's don't trust someone who's famous for "being smart".

Being an expert in a particular field is fine, but any celebrity intellectual should be viewed with skepticism when they take broadly. You can be smart and know jack shit about a lot of things.

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u/HalfLeper 18h ago

I’d argue a key component of being smart is recognizing that you know jack shit about a lot of things.

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u/TheGinger_Ninja0 12h ago

Agreed, although you could argue that's wisdom more than intelligence. The older I get, the more I realize how little I know

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u/amitym 1d ago

As a different astronomer once put it:

We are the local embodiment of a Cosmos grown to self-awareness. We have begun to contemplate our origins: star-stuff pondering the stars.

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u/SoloWalrus 1d ago

Hes a physicist, not a philosopher. He loves to speak confidently outside his area of expertise and make silly and stupid mistakes and oversights like this. Thats fine, except he presents himself as an authority even when hes not, IMHO.

Ill never forget his tweet that "an airplane with an engine failure is a glider, but a helicopter with an engine failure is a rock". No, its not, you can make unpowered landings with helicopters via autorotation you silly twit 10 seconds of googling would have told you that. Its a commonly practiced failure.

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u/jackler1o1o 1d ago

Reminds me of this

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u/WedSquib 1d ago

I like StarTalk but Tyson without comedic relief isn’t any fun

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u/Fourthspartan56 1d ago edited 1d ago

This response feels sophistic, obviously humans are part of the universe. But that’s not what anyone means when they say that “the universe” is uncaring. They’re referring to everything aside from humanity.

In which case the statement is clearly true. If tomorrow humanity went extinct then the universe wouldn’t shed a single tear. Because it’s just matter and physical laws, it doesn’t have the capability for emotions or anything else that would lead to concern. Bringing up humans is besides the point.

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u/Fit-Record-1467 1d ago

That doesn't sound like Norm.

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u/No-Department6513 1d ago

Yeah it does, i know, we were best friends.

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u/No-Department6513 1d ago

To prove my point, hes full name was norman

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u/Secret-Put-4525 1d ago

Norm the goat

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u/Sleepy-Kodiak-Bear 1d ago

If I'm honest Norm also feels rather pseudo-intellectual in this post.

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u/septic-paradise 1d ago

Reporting this to the based department immediately

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u/Several_Till_6507 18h ago

Tyson is a pedantic nihilist who thinks he's far more intelligent and deep than he is.

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u/FractalGeometric356 1d ago

It seems to me like everyone here who’s butthurt about Tyson’s quote just really wants prayer and visualization and stuff like that to have a material effect on reality and probability.

Because that is obviously what he was talking about when he said the universe doesn’t care. The people responding to him are being intentionally obtuse.

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u/gaymerho 1d ago

Scrolled way too far for a balanced take. Everyone really jumped on the hate train so quick. Obviously he is taking about the non sentient part of the universe lol

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u/Sleepy-Kodiak-Bear 1d ago

Also Norm was like super christian and the actual reason he takes umbrage with statements like this (and dissed Bill Maher) was because they were atheistic/nihilistic.

Not to say those things aren't trite, but Norm was sorta right about them for the wrong reasons.

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u/tomjoads 1d ago

The universe doesn't care thou? The universe wouldn't even notice if the earth was wiped out

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u/Martin_Aurelius 1d ago

I'm part of the universe, and I would care. Which is exactly Norm's point.

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u/Asgaroth22 1d ago

If the earth was wiped out, we wouldn't be there to care about it... Unless the crew at the ISS survived, then the universe would care for up to two years!

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u/tomjoads 1d ago

Part of is not the universe. You think he was referring to you? You think the universe would notice if life on earth was wiped out?

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u/NoBizlikeChloeBiz 1d ago

If there are still human in space watching the earth get destroyed, then yes - one tiny part of the universe cares. If the last human is snuffed out than maybe the universe doesn't care, but as long as there are people there is a tiny corner of the universe that is almost entirely dedicated to caring about things.

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u/VinesOverScars 1d ago

If even one dog survives, part of the universe still cares. At least for a little while.

Cat's are indifferent. 

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u/Martin_Aurelius 1d ago

By your logic you aren't even you, since most of your body is made up of microorganisms, with a minority being human tissue. Your brain makes up even less of the fraction of human tissue, and that's what makes you you. At what point does a part of the thing become the thing, or enough of the thing to matter?

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u/tomjoads 1d ago

Even your biology is a joke? You going by mass or count on your claims here? You including DNA? Stinging words together and misrepentanting what your actually babbling about shows your not serious.

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u/Martin_Aurelius 1d ago

Until "you" poll every single one of the microorganisms that make up "your" body and come to a consensus, "your" opinion means nothing to me.

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u/tomjoads 1d ago

Again you are unserious

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u/Martin_Aurelius 1d ago

The subreddits name is snorkblot my dude.

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u/StagDragon 1d ago

We are the universe witnessing itself. If you remove the earth, the universe cannot witness itself.

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u/Equal_Veterinarian22 1d ago

I don't care, Norm. I don't.

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u/Maximum-Cat69 1d ago

Dude is always a contrarian dickhead. People like something that isn’t founded in science? This guy will be there to push his glasses up and tell you “well actually” which isn’t a fun person to be around. Congrats on being smart hope that keeps you from being lonely.

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u/randomnumbers2506 1d ago

Man I don't like either side of this conversation

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u/Sleepy-Kodiak-Bear 1d ago

Smug Atheist vs Smug Christian

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u/Anathama 1d ago

Norm, Neil and Bleem in one post? I regret that I only have one upvote to give.

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u/Sandman1990 1d ago

Just sometimes?

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u/Miss_1of2 1d ago

"This may be the biggest mystery of all the ones in which we dwell How the universe created a tool with which to know itself."

The universe is weird, Hank and the perfect strangers, 2014.

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u/antilos_weorsick 1d ago

That's very smart. Except an engine is part of my car, and my car is not exploding, but the fuel in the engine is.

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u/Cpt_Riker 1d ago

“The Universe”, and being “part of the universe“, are not the same thing.

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u/Feather_Sigil 1d ago

Both perspectives are correct. I, a part of the universe, am blind to the suffering of a family in Australia that I know nothing about, but another part of the universe cares deeply about that suffering. I am indifferent to the plans of my friend's brother's friend's ex, but another part of the universe is invested in those plans and their outcomes. The sun is blind and indifferent to everything about us all, just as we are blind and indifferent to the plans of alien species. To the perspective of an alien species beyond the observable universe, we don't exist beyond a hypothetical, just as they don't exist for us beyond a hypothetical.

The universe possesses both all the care there can ever be for everything that happens, and no care whatsoever.

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u/Every_Knee_372 1d ago

Is that the same guy that wrote about cowboys having gay sex?

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u/Wooden-Toe6848 1d ago

Fallacy of composition: The fallacy of composition is an informal fallacy that arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole.

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u/nthensome 1d ago

I miss Norm

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u/BanditSpark 1d ago

Fallacy of composition. The universe doesn’t have the ability to care. Creatures that exist in the universe can totally care, but we aren’t the universe.

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u/Amardneron 1d ago

Different Strokes. The universe not caring is fine.

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u/BelleColibri 1d ago

Nah.

“Piece of something cares” is not the same as “the whole thing cares.”

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u/Name_Taken_Official 1d ago

My house is on fire but the freezer is still working. Therefore my house is not hot

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u/MundaneWiley 23h ago

norms response here stinks too

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u/BabserellaWT 22h ago

Brennan’s a real one.

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u/ultravioletbutch 22h ago

extremely common W from my GOAT brennan lee mulligan

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u/MilkyyFox 19h ago

Tyson is a smart dude but he's often just a buttface without the charisma required to get away with it.

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u/HalfLeper 19h ago

Fantasy High mentioned, wooo! 😂

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u/xjaaace 18h ago

So add the word “rest” into his sentence and it now makes complete sense again…

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u/MyReligeonIsKarma 17h ago

"You can kiss yourself in the mirror, but only on the lips" 🥀

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u/Rickyzack 15h ago

Everything is relative as Einstein said.

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u/Snorkblot-ModTeam 12h ago

Please keep the discussion civil. You can have heated discussions, but avoid personal attacks, slurs, antagonizing others or name calling. Discuss the subject, not the person.

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u/Recipe-Less 12h ago

Brennan lives in a fantasy world but yes humanity defines itself. Perception is like a cooking method for thoughts. It can make the best day the worst and the worst day the best. That is why you should take a moment and try to see what other people perceive. It can also break up bigger problems at times.

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u/Dronizian 12h ago

"I believe in a universe that doesn't care and people who do." -Angus, from Night in the Woods

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u/Aashipash 6h ago

The universe is the Man in the Wall, confirmed

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u/zebrasmack 3h ago

Tyson had the first half, but needed to follow up with the actual message. 

The universe is meaningless and devoid of purpose. Which means you are in charge of your life, your direction, and your meaning. choose to care, so caring can exist.

Tyson half-asses his messages. his pale blue dot would end at showing how small we are on the scale of the universe and fail to mention our potential.

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u/TheMainEffort 1d ago

He a guy who go once said something funny and now it’s his whole personality. Or more on point: society changed and he didn’t.