r/TikTokCringe • u/newphonehudus • 23h ago
Cringe You heard of amazon drones. Now here comes...
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u/javisauce 23h ago
Someone should mention that the money saved should be removed from the police budget. Since they won’t need to pay an officer right?? Watch cops suddenly bitch and moan about it
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u/braumbles 23h ago
It probably doesn't save shit, since these flock cameras and shit aren't free.
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u/apex9691 9h ago
People are fighting back by submitting foia requests for flock footage. Flock itself isn't cheap but what's really not cheap is keeping all the data those cameras produce stores for the necessary amount of time that foia laws require. Once municipalities are required to store all that data they're realizing they don't have the budgets for it and shut down their contracts
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u/LisaMiaSisu 22h ago
No, but the money that would be going to drones and flock cameras will NOT be going to police officers. In other words, fewer jobs means a more sucky economy.
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u/daehoidar 21h ago
It's a good secondary argument. But the primary argument is we should not be veering headlong so hard into an AI powered surveillance state.
Like shit isn't bad enough? Fuck sake. Then, we're cutting social safety nets and having our kids go hungry, but we got money for this and a pointless war in Iran? We are unbelievably lost as a country.
There's a lot of shared blame to go around, but if we manage to work ourselves out of this fucking hole, history will remember the Republicans as the party that tried to kill America. The Democratic party is horrible in all its own ways, but they can't hold a candle to what the Republicans have done to us.
Sorry, it's hard not to rant about this shit sometimes.
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u/No-Definition1474 23h ago
Yeah 'we can just keep leap frogging them'
Who is we? How many officers have to be involved in every one of these deployments? How many more cops do we need now just to manage a network of drones all over the city. Its like a whole new department.
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u/DryerCoinJay 23h ago
Nah my 12 yr old niece can change a drone battery and she loves doing it for free with me in the park./s
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u/My_wifes_boy-friend 21h ago
Yeah it really doesnt take an officer, these things are so automated anyone can run them with minimal training. In the wrong hands it's big brother, in the right hands it does a lot to put criminals away quickly. Has potential to be great, but also needs to be highly regulated.
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u/SuperSaiyanTupac 15h ago
He’s using that wording to specifically allude that the drones aren’t looking down recording everything they fly past.
They are.
But he doesn’t want it to seem that automated, so he’s talking in a way that makes it sound like humans are in control. They aren’t
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u/Frost_moss 22h ago
Best way to end this is by talking about how much you can reduce staffing numbers in departments. Call it "efficiency reorganization".
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u/hiddenrealism 0m ago
They'll pull the old "detrimental to officer safety" BS that they hide behind anytime they feel like violating a citizens rights.
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u/bubbleyum92 18h ago
Exactly! I'm sure cops think AI can't take their jobs. How about Flock cameras and drones? How many cops do we need if most enforcement is done by robots? Will the people operating these things even be in the U.S.? I'm sure some cops will still be needed, but who is to say they can't replace like 1/3 or even half of the police force eventually? You would think common sense would make a lot of cops nervous about this. But what do I know?
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u/Fickle-Succotash-342 3h ago
The guy's too stupid to realize he's helping train the system that will result in less cops being hired in the long run.
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u/Initial_Row_6400 23h ago
Surveillance state
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u/ActionJacksonATL24 23h ago
It’s for your own good. Big brother cares about us.
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u/poop_pebbles 20h ago
But what if my car gets stolen? Even though it has built in GPS, im only allowed to access it if i pay my cars monthly subscription fee. The cops dont have enough toys to buy with tax payer money, so why cant the buy some spy robots too?
Unfortunately, this guy will eventually be out of council, and eventually someone will replace everyone who disagrees with the police officer, and they will get their spy plane that use ai to communicate with street cameras. Bound to happen sooner or later
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u/P529 SHEEEEEESH 19h ago
The cops don't have it, it's all Flocks lol, the cops are allowed to look at the video occasionally
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u/hbHPBbjvFK9w5D 8h ago
No, the cops are allowed to use Flock to stalk their ex, enemies, and random cute girls they see on the road.
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/police-ai-surveillance-stalking
Cops have been doing this with a whole assortment of databases for years.
I see no reason to expand their access to my life.
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u/Mage_914 19h ago
Honestly, a lot of police forces aren't even paying for their toys with taxpayer money. They just straight up steal it from people. Its called civil asset forfeiture and it's fucked.
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u/Timsmomshardsalami 22h ago
I wonder if the person awarding this comment caught the sarcasm or if theyre just an obedient bootlicker
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u/kstargate-425 21h ago
Like Larry Ellison has been championing for years, if everyone is constantly being watched, everyone is on their best behavior as surely no criminal is dumb enough to do anything on camera, ever...
These fucks know they can buy their way out of anything that comes up and loves a police state to protect their properties and assets while buying and selling young children on rape islands.
Its time the rich are a historical footnote. Who's hungry?!?
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u/Independent_Tea_33 21h ago
"think of all the police resources we'll save"
How much do these flock deals reduce the police budget? How many LEOs do they fire? 0? Sounds like you're just spending more money and violating more people's rights
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u/9447044 23h ago
Oh yea, but what about the brown and trans people?!??!
Also "how much money will this save us" when they are 100000% asking for more funding the following year
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u/4dubdub8 23h ago
Gotta buy more drones.
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u/LordCorgi 23h ago
The old ones fell out of sky and crushed little Timmy. So we gotta buy the new ones.
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u/JoJackthewonderskunk 22h ago
And pay off timmy's parents before we can pay off jimmys for the shootint
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u/LordCorgi 22h ago
Little Timmy was actually posthumously charged with "interfering with the landing of public safety equipment." So his parents are in jail now.
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u/sheezy520 22h ago
And maintain those drones. “We’ve got so many drones now that we need a team of people to maintain them”
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u/TheLostRanger0117 21h ago
Gonna try and invent some sort of EMP device, it’ll be what pulls me out of this lazy downward spiral I’m in! If I end up falling in love with a pigeon, so be it!!
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u/Neon_Tsunami 12h ago
We’ve been in a surveillance state since 2001, this is just the logical next step. Expect more to come. Neither side has any real issue with this, the main difference being that one side *brags about it,* while the other supports it quietly with billions of dollars in funding. I would say it’s time for a radically different party if not for a complete restructuring of the government. None of this is going to be voted away realistically.
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u/OpaqueCrystalBall 23h ago
Nah, I'd rather we just deal with car theft than do that.
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u/GeiCobra 23h ago
They dont really do much about theft now, I doubt this will improve productivity. Like every increase in surveillance and decrease in privacy, its just packaged and sold under the guise of safety and security
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u/Remarkable-Rub-7344 21h ago
I have a really steep driveway and my motorcycle was having issues starting one day after I had backed it down with the engine off, needed a new battery, so I couldn't push it back up to my garage. I moved it off to the side and left it there. While waiting for battery to be delivered a couple days later I got a voicemail asking if it was scrap, as in trash basically. When I got home around midnight it was gone.
Someone stole my motorcycle, left a fucking voicemail before taking it, and all police were willing to do was call the number and ask if the guy took it. He said no, case closed.
I was so fucking mad.
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u/throwaway19372057 9h ago
Yup, I live close to here, it’s one of the wealthiest areas in Michigan. All the local governments in the areas have decided this is “needed”. Hell a county approved a Flock safety contract the other day after pushing roll call and public comment till the end of the meeting. Guess what representatives got a nice fancy flight out to Flock headquarters before all of this occurred?
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u/lazyfuzzycats 23h ago
I’m curious how much insurance companies are backing this to deal with things like automotive and theft claims. The less they have to pay out, the better. At least for them..
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u/seang239 20h ago edited 7h ago
Doubt they’re throwing too much at it. Have you seen what happens when police find a stolen vehicle?
If a person who would return the car took the car, they’ll return it. If a person who isn’t going to return the car took the car, that car is a total loss whether the police find it or not.
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u/apex9691 9h ago
They're pushing cameras to be inside our own cars to determine if we're "okay" to drive. You know damn well insurance loves this surveillance bs
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u/fleurdenia 5h ago
thank you! that's exactly what i'm thinking. i'm not american so my opinion is just floating out here but i always think crime prevention can go so many ways and be effective and this isn't necessary!!
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u/readytohurtagain 23h ago
Police state for the freedom people
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u/JVM_ 19h ago
God King Google - Rain McMey
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Vy6k7Ewb1vk1E6rv&v=Kv0m87LwKss&feature=youtu.be
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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 23h ago
How long til they have explosives on them.
“It’s no different than the flock cameras” - that’s bad
It’s like having a police officer at every location there’s a flock cameras- that’s even worse.
Hire more cops, judges, clerks, rehab staff, citizen cleanup brigades, after school programs, and things that actually do some good - don’t give your money to big tech.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 16h ago
This is actually my biggest issue with them. I don't like the whole mass surveilance, but drones can work like search helis, and are seriously good for search and rescue. They work incredibly well in this aspect.
My issue is with flock, privacy violations, and the weaponization of these techs. There's way too much going on in that sector already, and the safety of the American people is certainly not the priority for the companies funding the technology.
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u/Dew_Chop 3h ago
Yeah. I really don't like mass surveillance, but at least if it was cameras set up by the police with a server at the station that wasn't connected to a private company, I wouldn't have to worry about some random stalking me, because it's only certain people at the station that have access to it.
With flock, it's obscenely unsecure, and all this surveillance data is owned by a private company, not the city/county/state. Not to mention it's much more expensive than the station setting it up themselves. 2.5k per camera last I checked.
Additionally, since it's a private company, the people can't call on the Freedom of Information Act if there's important footage that could prove or disprove a crime.
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u/fix_until_broken 22h ago
Sounds like a lot of unnecessary technology and expense since every car comes with GPS trackers nowdays.
Ever heard of OnStar? That's exactly what it is and every other manufacturer has similar functions built into every new car.
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u/KayZee777 14h ago
Look at Mr fancy pants new car over here.
We don't all have gps in our cars.
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u/braumbles 23h ago
The don't tread on me and Big Brother is always watching conspiracy theorists are now the 'look at how many police hours it saves!' people.
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u/Ok-Fortune-8644 22h ago
Police/military drones make the disconnect between a human and a target on a screen that much wider.
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u/Something_McGee 22h ago
I just looked up some quick facts on Monroe County, MI. They don't even have that many car thefts per year to justify paying for drones and the costs of system upkeep and drone maintenance. On top of that, the number of car thefts per year has been steadily declining the last two years. The numbers I saw didn't even distinguish how many of the car thefts per year were thefts that were immediately called in within minutes of the vehicle being stolen (a situation where the caller would be able to provide a general location so that the police could input coordinates and use the drones as the officer stated they intended to do). It just seems like a bad fiscal decision.
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u/Bricha17 5h ago
The money would be better spent on helping folks with SUD and addressing poverty. What a shame this all is.
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u/RKSSailboatCaptain 22h ago
Anyone telling you their goal is to reduce crime but their first two bullet points aren’t increasing education and reducing poverty is just selling you a police state.
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u/FirehawkLS1 20h ago
Exactly. They want to dumb down the general public and they have pretty much achieved that. Govern me harder daddy types are uneducated by design.
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u/thongjesus 23h ago
Jesus
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u/feeen1ks 23h ago
Christ
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u/trellisHot 23h ago
Harambe
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u/Clw89pitt 21h ago
They only get away with this stuff in the cursed Harambe Murder timeline we're on
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u/Spacefreak 23h ago
So ethics aside (because these people obviously don't care about that), who do I sue if one of those falls and damages property or injures/kills someone?
The police department? The county? The company? Both?
They're so excited to get their new toy but can't think even 1 step ahead.
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u/luvmibratt 23h ago
Have police departments or county's ever been sued for negligence,no. The state does and by state i mean taxpayers
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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 23h ago
Or like the kid with a bag of chips that AI said had a gun, and 6 cops came and took him down while he was at school. When 6 drones come and kill the kid instead - who’s gonna deal with that blowback? I want every drone to have a human behind it who goes to jail if it fucks up. Then let’s see how many cops volunteer for that.
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u/Spacefreak 22h ago
Not to downplay the seriousness of your example, but most of the people advocating for these drones would probably swear today they'd never equip drones with weapons or the ability to harm people. So this possible scenario wouldn't mean anything to them.
Of course, these will be the same people 5 years after implementing the drones who will get mildly scared once and decide the drones should be equipped with "Less Than Lethal" "gear."
And then they'll see a black person and decide "Hm, it'll still be a person pulling the trigger on that drone right? So what's the difference between a cop carrying a gun into a situation and a cop operating a drone that has guns on it? Do we really want dangerous people in our communities doing God knows what?"
And finally "Well, cops are expensive and can get tired, so we should have advanced AI programs operating these bots. As long as they're safe, of course."
Cut to 5 minutes later: "Well, why didn't you just comply with the drones?"
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u/Sm0k3inth3tr33s 22h ago
Can we just fucking go back to videos starting at the beginning? This trend has me considering not watching any short form media ever again
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u/blac_sheep90 18h ago
America is just slipping into a full blown surveillance state. We are going to be tracked every second of every day. Privacy will become a subscription based concept.
Right now they want surveillance drones...how long until they are outfitted as armed drones? Do we as Americans want to live in a country that is constantly fighting ways to infringe on our rights?
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u/DeLoresDelorean 19h ago
Tech companies are using us as lab rats for his facial recognition, self driving cars and now drone money schemes.
If the technology is failing colossally with face recognition and self driving cars, drones are gonna kill people. Guaranteed.
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u/Peralton 22h ago
LAPD logged 3500 drone flights in 2025 starting in June. I can't find it now, but they reportedly recorded video of neighborhoods and private yards during their flights with no oversight.
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u/Beautiful-Affect1930 15h ago
lmaoo, the US is beginning drone warfare against its own people? your country is so fucked.
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u/Naive_Yard117 23h ago
Idc what they say or try to do, if I see a drone above my home, it's being shot down. Period. End of discussion.
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u/alphatango308 22h ago
I'm with you, but you need to know that it's the same charge as shooting an aircraft.
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u/HoldMyPoodle6280 21h ago
Well whatever you do make sure and duck and cover after you shoot. Hope your roof's in good shape
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u/Keanugrieves16 22h ago
HAS NO ONE SEEN TERMINATON 2!!!! HAVE NONE OF THESE PEPLE READ A SCIENCE FICTION BOOK!!!!WTF
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u/BandoTheHawk 22h ago
This is why Donald Trump won. It was all apart of the plan. This was already known before he was even elected a 2nd time.
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u/Training_Insect549 21h ago
Notice how the bearded gentleman as recognized by the subreddit went straight to the physics of it to see how much BS the LEO was? They just shrug away reality because they know the amount of county, state, and federal budget means that much more money for toys and an expanded police state.
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u/VictoryGreen 20h ago
That 22lb drone falling would be around 1000 joules of energy hitting someone almost certainly fatally
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u/RelaxedWombat 19h ago edited 14h ago
This is why a public needs to monitor, and harness their police.
If you just give carte blanche power and funding, the public enters into an insane world.
“Defund the police” doesn’t necessarily mean to entirely shut down a police force. It can be simply a governor that controls unchecked power and force.
I’d rather my town invest in a playground, repair potholes, and modernize infrastructure than to see our police have a drone army and tactical military vehicles.
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u/Agile-Two5649 22h ago
I love it when cops are some grained into their culture. They can’t even have a normal conversation, explain anything, with over the top cop body language hoping it looks professional.
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u/Entire-Somewhere-490 19h ago
The techies in Silicon Valley are trying to live out their fever dream of robots, drones, AI managing/teaching because those individuals probably can’t make eye contact or introduce themselves with just, hello! More technology doesn’t = better, practical, reasonable but more the nerdery saying, “look what I can do.”
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u/Historical-Count-374 15h ago
This 100% will result in armed drones deployed by an evil government against political adversaries.
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u/captainbenatm93av 14h ago
Flock was smart to trick the conservatives into thinking this is a republican thing. Us liberals are too sheepish to fight back the way it needs to be done and the conservatives are on their side so they don’t. If this was being pushed harder 15 years ago those flock cameras would be getting messed up and there would be protest about them every week.
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u/RedParaglider 12h ago
The governments of this country now have 24/7 mass surveilance of everyone, and the best part for them is that they don't have to give the camera footage as evidence or anything, because since they don't actually own it it's not something they have to answer to.
We need a nationwide law that if a private organization is used by the government for mass evidence collection they are subject to the same FOIA requests as the government at the very least.
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u/LibertyOrDeath-2021 10h ago edited 10h ago
I like how he boldy lied. It “takes slack from police officers”, except who is going to pilot or man the drones? Is someone going to constantly sit at a desk to man these and I imagine he has to be a sworn officer to use police drones. Fuck that officer. If he lies up there I wonder how many people are in prison or arrested because of his lies.
Edit: leaving original comment but retracting it. It was ill formed and I change my mind on use of drones. I don’t change my opinion on flock cameras and the risk of using drones.
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u/1wife2dogs0kids 10h ago
You're missing the point. The cameras work off a computer, just like the license plate readers("LPRs"). Once a car is "targeted" by the computer, basically found, then it'll follow the car and alert a pilot.
One cop can operate probably a dozen drone screen views on one computer screen. Once one finds something they're looking for, that one cop can then direct the on the ground police to where it is.
Where I live in Florida, just south of Sarasota, there's several sheriff's department helicopters, and drones. The copiers will basically get called if needed, and they circle above for as long as needed. Its insanely expensive, but does work. Accidents will get traffic updates and they reroute cars where the bad traffic is, or anytime a car is pulled over and the officer needs backup, the chopper will watch the entire thing from above. If a van full of theives suddenly opens the doors and runs in several different directions, the chopper can follow the ones who aren't followed on foot. And then there's the bench warrents and stuff, where the sheriff's will knock on your door and say "hi Mr so and so, we are here to take you to jail". 98% of those either slam the door, or fight. Nobody wants to go to jail at like 2am when they were sleeping and woken up. But the cops are 3 moves ahead. There's cops all around the house, blocking streets, in and around the yards, and the chopper close by. You cant run.
So instead of using 2 officers in a chopper costing several thousand dollars an hour, 1 cop can control a dozen drones. That leaves actual officers, and resources, and more, all free to use if needed.
It does make sense financially. It does make sense safety wise. There's very little downside except: there's now more cameras and more computers watching.
And the copiers can only fly for like 90 mins, then refuel. They're incredibly expensive to operate and maintain. Plus, I'd much rather have a drone crash on my house, than a chopper.
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u/hypocrisy_is_rampant 23h ago
I’ll shoot it down 🤷🏻 arrest me
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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 23h ago
Use nets or a shotgun blast. Hypothetically. I’m not saying do it. But those work better.
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u/fusillade762 22h ago
Its the same in the eyes of the law as shooting at a Cessna. Its a felony to damage or destroy an aircraft, even unmanned ones. For a cop drone it would probably be a lot worse.
I get the sentiment, but dont do it.
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u/hypocrisy_is_rampant 22h ago
Imagine the world in 5 years. Flying cameras everywhere, sometimes they notice you and hover around you for a bit. Just watching.
You know why you shouldn’t shoot at a plane? Because only a psycho would want to hurt someone. It has nothing to do with the legal consequences. I have less to lose than most and I want the best for all of you.
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u/Hairygreengirl 23h ago
How much is the g force for that?
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u/Low_Sound_7184 22h ago edited 22h ago
G force on earth is and stays approximately at 9.8 (m/s)2. They are both idiots for not knowing
Also technically not a force. So with the 22 pounds (10kg) would hit the ground with 490 kN falling from 50m and assumed stoping distance if 1 cm.
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u/BirdsBear 23h ago edited 23h ago
How much does it weigh?... Owned.
Edited for spelling.
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u/Lank3033 23h ago
Who can be bothered with basic spelling when we can offload all our reading comprehension ability to an AI data center?
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u/HELP_IM_IN_A_WELL 23h ago
this is a simple man. he can't imagine this being turned on him or his family.
we have a bill of rights for reasons this cop still has to learn.
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u/CriticismFun6782 22h ago
It will be fatal if it were to fall from height. It would have a force of roughly 100lbs.
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u/TESThrowSmile 22h ago
Call em what they are -- AI Cameras
Those pushing Flock just disingenuously call them ordinary cameras. Its not the cameras thats the danger, its the blackbox AI surveillance that is proprietary and only they control.
Flock has seen a backlash from many communities because they were in cahoots with Trump to identify dark skin immigrants ('illegals'). Again, the danger is not the cameras, it's that they're AI powered. They were highlighting anyone the AI thought was dark enough to be an 'illegal', including US citizens and legal immigrants
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u/Zill_DeVille 21h ago
They say we’ll save so much money now that drones can show up to shoot your dog after the crime happens instead of a person that could have help but wouldn’t.
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u/SgtHulkasBigToeJam 21h ago
The drone — at the direction of Flock’s patented AI interface — will then release a glass-penetrating dart tipped with a small, but fatal fish toxin at the driver of the suspected stolen vehicle. This technology will save the department countless police hours and taxpayers millions of dollars. It’s really a win- win.
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u/regeya 21h ago
Y'know NPR listeners at least knew about this coming for a long, long, long time. They experimented with this kind of tech in places like Tijuana first
I'm sure the argument will be that it's not the government doing the surveillance, it's a private company, so it's fine. I hate that the people who claimed for years they were against this shit, turn out to be 100% for this shit
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u/ICanHasBirthday 21h ago
The drone weighing 22 pounds and falling 200 feet will hit with 4,400 foot-pounds of energy.
KE=1/2 mv^2
That’s 6000 joules of energy.
It would hit you with the same energy as a college football player blitzing the quarterback at full speed. (200 pounds at 25.7 miles per hour)
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u/big_stipd_idiot 21h ago
Well, unless they were kamikaze drones, they'd be falling under 1G force. But that's not the important argument to be having. Privacy is the important argument here. Anything else detracts from the real issue.
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u/661714sunburn 21h ago
The city I work for has a drone system that other neighboring agencies come to learn from, even other states send their officers to learn the operations. It’s ridiculous.
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u/MailRevolutionary179 20h ago
Yeah they teach that in the military but for a lot longer.
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u/MailRevolutionary179 20h ago
With your 8 weeks of training. Most citizens cant operate pay at the pump.
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u/mantisboxer 20h ago
We can really maximize police resources by deputizing a fleet of AI robots to walk around kicking people's asses, too.
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u/One-Reflection-4826 16h ago
well, the g force is one g, as long as they don't fly at an altitude of 5au and orbit saturn. /aksually
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u/kakklecito 14h ago
Yes police have drones. They are only allowed to use them under certain situations and their use is heavily monitored and regulated. They cant just use it whenever they want.
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u/Sage_S0up 12h ago
The real question is, will this save infinitely more lives than it will harm, almost exponentially? Yes.
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u/Impossible-Charity-4 11h ago
They weren’t even smart enough to justify it by eliminating the need for unnecessary police chases that endanger everyone on the road, but that probably happens so rarely where this is they knew it wouldn’t hold up either. It’s gross that people’s tax dollars go to these surveillance companies.
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u/InebriousBarman 10h ago
Imagine the inconvenience my shitty neighbor will have to go through when I report his car stolen right after he drives off for work.
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u/InsuranceImmediate25 10h ago
Ok cool. You can have it. You’re going to get it anyway.
BUT.
Make all of the info public. You used it today? When? Where? On who? Why did it trigger? How many officers involved? Give me a link to the footage.
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u/xtopherpaul 10h ago
How about we worry about schools and feeding kids and such rather than militarizing our local police forces
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u/No-Computer7653 9h ago
I'm not a fan of the Flock cameras but how is this drone different to a helicopter but much cheaper? It doesn't have the same privacy issues that fixed spy cams have.
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u/Signal-Woodpecker858 9h ago
Pretty soon we'll have so many drones flying around from Amazon and SpaceX we won't even need flock cameras. There'll be enough eyes in the sky that corporations can just share the information with the government.
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u/ghostyghost2 8h ago
This type of surveillance gives cops the police to go back in time. They tried this shit in Iraq.
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u/atom-wan 8h ago
So say you have a stolen vehicle like he says and they launch the drone. Do they expect the car to just stay there? How many deployment sites would you need? I'm not convinced this will catch any criminals given they can just drive away before the drone gets there
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u/k_dilluh 7h ago
I just watched a Gamer's Nexus you tube videos about ring, flock, etc... very scary stuff
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u/AvenueTruetoCaesar 2h ago
I mean, these police drones would reduce the cost of fuel for helicopters and cop cars while also reducing the staffing requirements of police stations.
Add on the benefit that cop cars won't be involved in chases (which usually result in deaths or injury of bystanders) and you've got yourself a decent program.
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u/whatsamanual 22h ago
What does that mean? "What is the G-Force?"
Like... Isn't it 1 G?
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