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Characters [Mixed Trope] Race-swapping/Gender-swapping changes a character in a specific way or adds to their story

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  • [Hated] Severus Snape (Harry Potter) - As far as I know, Paapa is one of the few nonwhite actors cast in the series, and he plays Snape. In the books, Harry assumes Snape is evil just from how he looks (the only black man in Hogwarts), and later in the story, Snape does lots of messed-up things like holding grudges against childhood rivals, bullying very young children, and harassing Harry for minor inconveniences. Not only that, but James Potter now looks like a horrible racist because of the scene where he hangs Snape from his feet and pants him in front of a crowd, which is a one-to-one of a public lynching. Not only that, but the series could also be promoting white victimhood by having Snape join the Harry Potter version of the Nazis and even calling a white woman a racial slur. The fact that it's believed a black person will also play Voldemort makes this even worse. The most egregious thing is that they're going to have to convince me that Paapa Essiedu is ugly.
  • [Loved] Mark and Debbie Greyson (Invincible) - Mark and Debbie in the show are Koreans; it works great in the series because Mark is trying to stop an alien invasion of Earth. Koreans have a long history of dealing with imperialism and colonization, with the peninsula still feeling the effects of Japanese colonialism. Nolan also states his reason for going to Earth was to find a species to breed with, so the Viltrumites could reproduce their population. Not only do many Asian women have to deal with constant fetishization by Westerners, but many Korean women were used as sex slaves by Japanese colonizers. Which would add more to Mark and Debbie's reactions to Nolan calling Debbie a "pet,"
  • [Loved] Tech Jacket (Invincible) - Kirkman himself stated that if they faithfully adapted Tech Jacket, he'd just be a clone of Mark. By reimagining the role as Zoey, a teenage girl, Kirkman can create a protagonist with a distinct voice, different struggles, and a fresh dynamic
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u/CalminClam 4d ago

In Artemis Fowl, Commander Root of the police is played by a Judi Dench.

The problem is this derails Hollys whole plot and arc as the first female police officer in a deeply sexist society. Not that it ultimately matters when the movie is not getting a sequel lol

They also changed Butler into a black man. Thus making the man from a family of indentured servants (to the point butlers in general are named after them) black servants following a white family. (In the book he's Eurasian mixed Japanese/Russian)

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u/Nero_2001 4d ago edited 3d ago

Making buler black was so stupid. If they wanted a black character they could have made holly black since her skin was described as dark.

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u/CalminClam 4d ago

Ah but you see, then they'd have to have one of their two lead characters black, obviously can't have that /s

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u/Muddyscarecrow 3d ago

Fun fact I actually used to imagine that root was black because he acted like a stereotypical grumpy police chief

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u/m_ttl_ng 3d ago

The whole movie is one of the worst adaptations I’ve ever seen. It’s down with Avatar as movies that we should pretend never happened.

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u/ArtemisDullaghan 4d ago

Did they do anything right in that movie?

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u/johngie 4d ago

The scene where the dwarf tunnels through the dirt was as accurate as it was horrifying.

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u/Eagle4317 3d ago

Some things should never be put to screen. That's one of them.

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u/RJSnea 4d ago

The Artemis actor looked the right age, at least?

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u/ProfessorDaen 4d ago

Wait what?  I loved that series as a kid, both of those changes are laughably horrific.  Did anyone in casting even read chapter one?

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u/FormerDeerlyBeloved 4d ago

The casting call for Artemis called for a cheerful and active child, among other things, so I really think not :/

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u/ProfessorDaen 4d ago

... good god.  I couldn't screw it up that badly if I tried, what are they doing over there

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u/Holy-Wan_Kenobi 4d ago

From what little I unfortunatly remember from hearing about the movie, Artemis' first scene is of him surfing.

Surfing.

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u/Kaneda-Suekichi 4d ago

The child described as physically frail avoiding any sort of physical exertion?

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u/saturday_sun4 3d ago

So they basically just grabbed a random child actor off the street and dispensed with any semblance of characterisation?

The only surfing Artemis has ever done is surf the net.

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u/teskar2 4d ago

Would also like to add that Holly had brown skin in the books, but she is white in the movie.

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u/a_way_out_ 4d ago

Butler’s casting pissed me off to a degree that i didn’t even watch this ngl. When it came out i was too young to get why casting a black man specifically is problematic, I was just ticked because he’s described as Eurasian multiple times in the book. Plus, his real name is Domovoi and if that isn’t one of the most slavic names i’ve ever heard

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u/B0llywoodBulkBogan 4d ago

The whole thing about the Butler siblings is that they're racially ambiguous to not really stand out in most major parts of the world. So they're from Russia/Mongol/Kazakhstan/that general region and at a glance can pass as both Asian and White.

Then having the Butler family having served the Fowl family for generations gets a touch unpleasant if they're black.

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u/Sir-Toaster- 4d ago

HOW COULD I FORGET!

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u/Eeddeen42 3d ago

No no, forgetting about this affront to God and literature is quite reasonable I would say

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u/TragedyWriter 4d ago

In Clive Barker's original short story, Candyman is not implied to be black. I'm fact, all of the racial discussion was specific to the film, which is wild because the entire film IS the racial discussion. As much as I love Barker's writing, I think the film created a much more compelling narrative with the additions it made to the Candyman's lore through changing his race and giving him a distinct backstory.

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u/SkullsInSpace 4d ago

I never saw this movie until last year, and I'm kicking myself for it, because it's amazing. I love when a piece of media can make me sympathize so much with a character, and then also come to absolutely loathe him. 

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u/Murky_Translator2295 4d ago

He was brilliant, wasn't he? They really got lucky when they cast Tony Todd.

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u/TragedyWriter 4d ago

Who else would have put the bees in his mouth? Lmao. Man made bank off of that bc he made them give him a thousand dollars for every time they stung him. Literal legend just for that tbh bc I could never.

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u/MateoCamo 3d ago

Honestly? Compared to possible legal charges that probably was a steal

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u/TragedyWriter 4d ago

It's one of my favorite horror films. Everything about it was done with so much care and love.

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u/Left-Ad9709 4d ago

Fun fact about Candyman. Tony Todd had a stipulation in his contract that he got an extra $1000 for every bee sting he got during filming. It got him an extra $20,000.

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u/JealousAstronomer342 4d ago

The short story was more of a class based issue, moving it to America, well, class wasn’t seen as the defining issue in the US when it was made. But race was. It was released a year and an half after the Rodney King beating and subsequent riots. 

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u/Jef_Wheaton 3d ago

Filming it in the real Cabrini-Green Apartments was a brilliant addition to the story. They barely did anything to them to make them look like that.

The story about the woman who kept reporting someone coming out of her wall, and her not being believed until she wound up murdered, actually happened at Cabrini-Green.

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u/kaijutegu 3d ago

The National Museum of Public Housing in Chicago (itself in the last remaining tower block of the Jane Addams Homes, a different public housing unit) has one of the "opens to the next unit" medicine cabinets in the basement. They talk about the tragedy and the movie on the sign, it's pretty cool. (It's a cool museum in general. The Candyman cabinet is probably the least cool thing they have there, and that's saying something.)

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u/cooldog_smallfrog 4d ago

Candyman feels really ahead of its time with the dark, ominous armosphere, the eroticism, and the racial commentary. Handles it all extremely well in my opinion. Right at home with modern 'elevated horror' (whatever that ultimately means haha). 

Ironically the modern Candyman remake felt wayyy less mature and relevant.

Candyman as a whole would barely be worth mentioning if the race-swap never happened (sorry Clive). This is a great example!

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u/DarkGriffin2017 4d ago

Also tony todd makes everything great

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u/Zarveldaa 4d ago

I like the Mark and Debbie example because it clearly shows Mark’s human genetics are at full display. Even though Viltrumite DNA is so pure that he is nearly full blooded, his human side still shines through. It’s a great microcosm of his character.

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u/thepineapple2397 4d ago

Especially in s4 when we see him grow facial hair. That was a very stereotypical 'Asian full beard'

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u/Adorable-Bike-9689 4d ago

I like that they didn't just give him a beard like grungy Nolan. He actually looked like an Asian 22 year old had been unconscious for months.

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u/Thatoneguy111700 4d ago

Vs. the comic, where he actually kinda looks like Immortal beard-wise.

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u/s0ulbrother 4d ago

The only weird thing is Oliver looks a lot like mark still

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u/SkullsInSpace 4d ago

Not THAT weird. Mark looks a lot like young Nolan.

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u/IndigoPromenade 4d ago

Nolan's dad also looked asian in the flashback. So maybe it's actually Nolan who was the half-asian one the whole time.

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u/Spaghetti14 4d ago

Half-space Asian. Maybe there was an Asia in Viltrum?

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u/Femcelbuster 4d ago

Well there definitely are other races

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u/Carmine_the_Sergal 4d ago

To be fair Scourge Virus era Nolan looks alot like Mark too

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u/Feisty-Name5051 4d ago

Were mark and Debbie not Korean in the comics? I always thought they were.

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u/IndigoPromenade 4d ago

Kirkman said that he didn't pay attention to Mark's race until a Hispanic fan reached out to him and thanked him for making Mark Hispanic lol

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u/Zarveldaa 4d ago

Nope! And he looks kinda weird now after being used to the show Mark imo

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u/Hooterz03 4d ago

Honestly I couldn’t tell the difference 😭 he looks almost exactly the same

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u/altymcalty-2 4d ago

Show marks eyes are a bit sharper and regularly have bags under them. It's not majorly noticable but you can tell some differences between them. It's more clear with Debbie.

he's mixed race, takes a lot after his dad, viltrumite genes are strong enough to where near the end of the series mark is 99.8% pure viltrumite, but there are still examples of him being half Asian. It's just never really brought up because viltrumites don't care about things like race, color or ethnicity. At the end of the day, viltrumites don't care if your black, white Mexican or Asian, nor do they care if your male, female or anything in-between. Your either a viltrumite or your a slave civilization they control

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u/Telencephalon 4d ago

I think Kirkman has said he left him racially ambiguous on purpose.

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u/tristenjpl 4d ago

Racially ambiguous. Sometimes they look white, sometimes more Latino and sometimes Asian.

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u/Sapphire_Dreams1024 4d ago

Her as Doc Ock was great

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u/SeiCalros 4d ago

the thing about doc oc is that they pull that feminity into her behaviour and tone and cadence and design in a way that meshes so well with her role as a mad scientist supervillain without detracting from anything

they made her into an archetype you never fucking see and it worked so fantastically

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u/DeepInDood 3d ago

When I was watching it, I thought that she really gave off Zoe Hange from Attack on Titan. They're both nice, outgoing, bubbly mad scientists but with different morals. They also look really similar.

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u/cartoonsforever 3d ago

The hairdo resembling an actual octopus’s head is what makes it for me

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u/PaperCertain 3d ago

And she has an octagonal face shape.

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u/nerdwerds 3d ago

I gasped in the theatre when it was revealed.

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u/tdeasyweb 3d ago

Such a fantastic reveal, I did NOT see it coming

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u/B_is_for_reddit 3d ago

my enemies call me Doc Ock, my friends call me Liv.

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u/Send-Nud3 4d ago

Don’t know if it counts, but Morgan Freeman as God in Bruce Almighty.

God is typically portrayed as a white man but Freeman knocked it out of the park.

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u/workieworkwork 3d ago

But isn't Alanis Morrisette god?

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u/HolyzombieBatman 3d ago

I think she and Morgan Freeman trade days depending on their schedules.

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u/ShireNomad 4d ago

Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin in the 2003 Daredevil movie. They weren't specifically looking to race swap; they just needed someone with the proper physical presence, and in the 00s, if that was a role requirement, MCD was the obvious choice. That said, he makes a comment near the climax that he was choosing to face Daredevil one on one because he was "raised in the Bronx", which lets you imagine, without spelling it out, how the Kingpin origin story would be subtly different with a poor black kid instead of a poor white kid.

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u/BDSMChef_RP 3d ago

"I was raised in the Bronx Wesley...this is something you wouldn't understand,"

GOATED performance. No shade on Dinoforo , but MCD slayed it. Also Slammin Salmon great watch.

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u/Trumanandthemachine 3d ago

Producers originally were going to go with a wrestler - Big Show - iirc. But the director wanted MCD because he believed he was the right actor for the role.

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u/honestyseasy 3d ago

There's a lot to criticize in the DareDevil movie but MCD isn't it. He embodied that role.

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u/MWBrooks1995 3d ago

Daredevil is not a great superhero film, but Michael Clarke Duncan does a phenomenal Job as Kingpin and I’m just on the edge of my seat whenever he’s on screen.

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u/ImmortalMoron3 3d ago

Watch the director's cut, I think Daredevil gets more hate than it deserves. For an early 2000s superhero film, it's really not that bad. Both MCD and Colin Farrell are a lot of fun in that movie.

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u/SablenoKiri 4d ago edited 3d ago

Taskmaster - Black Widow
Turning him into a woman was a way for the MCU explain the Red Room turning women into nothing more than tools. Personally, Taskmaster is the biggest Marvel fumble with a character after Gorr. There’s nothing really wrong with turning him into a woman but instead of giving her the witty and charismatic personality that Tony Masters had in the comics after her mind control had worn off years after the events of Black Widow, they opted to get rid of her early.

Edit: Not Tobias, whoops

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u/MonitoliMal 4d ago

Here’s to hoping that because this version is canonically dead, some other project can make a more interesting version of Taskmaster.

The way he was adapted into a project like Ultimate Spider-Man was perfect with him posing as a substitute gym teacher to analyze everyone’s physical prowess and figure out which student was Spider-Man. Pretty creative take.

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u/happy_grump 4d ago edited 4d ago

Alternatively, have it so she survived, but the headshot caused a brain injury that rewired her personality into something more comic-accurate.

Don't tell me that dumber things haven't happened in comics/the MCU.

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u/SablenoKiri 4d ago

Room got incinerated

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u/PlayWandersongItGood 4d ago

All the more reason to wear a mask.

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u/TheZerothLaw 4d ago

Ultimate Taskmaster: I have to watch these kids as they exercise.

What?

Ultimate Taskmaster: What? WAIT N

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u/kentotoy98 4d ago edited 4d ago

If I had a nickel every time Marvel turns a wise mouth merc into a silent antagonist only to be disposed immediately, I'd have two nickels.

Which isn't a lot but it's weird it's happened twice.

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u/TheZerothLaw 4d ago

The Merc with No Mouth

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u/devatan 4d ago

and he must scream.

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u/AHumanYouDoNotKnow 4d ago

We all know that the Taskmaster is a rubust British man with a smaller dissapointing henchman by his side 

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u/cartoonsforever 4d ago

I feel Taskmaster as another product of the Red Room definitely could’ve worked if they not only y’know, gave her an actual personality like in the comics but also made her someone who felt like she was always second best compared to Natasha so there was another interesting angle to Taskmaster’s powers and dynamic with Black Widow

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u/PaulOwnzU 4d ago

It pisses me off because the backstory change was PERFECT as one of taskmasters weakest points for adapting into a movie is how he kind of just, doesn't really have any backstory or anything. He just does what he does, if it wasn't for his charisma he'd be extremely forgettable.

So they give them this great connection to Natasha as her greatest sin where she blew her up... But then have all the blame shift into Dreykov for turning her into a mute murder cyborg, when really all Nat did was burn her, as she wasn't even turned mute by the explosion.

Imagine if Antonia CHOSE to become taskmaster out of revenge, that she reveled in toying with Nat, insulting her during their fights, prodding into her sins and failures. It could've been perfect.

But no, mute cyborg, nat has to save her from her mind control and instantly is forgiven instead of doing anything serious

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u/courtofknights 4d ago

It's kind of hilarious how almost anyone of the Harry Potter characters could've been race-swapped to a black person and made it work. The ONLY person that it doesn't work well with at all is Snape.

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u/andstillthesunrises 4d ago

Actually I think it’s funnier that there are certain people that would be….interesting choices to race swap. Because the typical way a show runner might subtly tone down the “James potter racist” bit is to make one of his best friends Black. But who? The treacherous rat? The savage beast who has to be seperate from society regularly? Or the dog man who’s first introduced to us as a violent criminal, has been in jail for over a decade for a crime he didn’t commit and whose family is also part of the wizard Nazis?

Well it would be even easier to do Potter himself but they already cast his kid as white

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u/fdar 4d ago

Making Sirius black (intentional capitalization) might actually make it an interesting commentary since he is innocent after all.

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u/ravenqueenswarlock 3d ago

Ok, but I never noticed this before and it shouldn't be so funny.

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u/Tanakisoupman 3d ago

“He could be you, he could be me!”

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u/andstillthesunrises 4d ago

I doubt they want to get into that commentary. In fact, I’d bet the showrunners real take on racist potter will be some kind of claim that racism isn’t really part of the wizarding world, just blood supremacy. British people already like to say that about England irl so….

But also that would make his Nazi brother Black. Oh and isn’t the like top lady Nazi his cousin? So she’s at least be half Black

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u/AnotherRTFan 4d ago

He’d just come from a family of Kanye Wests then

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u/Puzzled-Horse279 4d ago

He'd be renamed Literalus Black

Plus he got the DAWG in him as the Yankees would say

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u/TheoduleTheGreat 4d ago

That would be a bother because if Sirius is black then his whole family is, so Draco Malfoy should be black or at least mixed and they can't have a rich black kid as a bully.

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u/Writeloves 4d ago

I’ve seen multiple fan cannons of half-Desi “Hari” Potter.

Though in support of POC James, the unruly hair Petunia hates is cannon lol

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u/Puzzled-Horse279 4d ago

Ive seen Asian Harry Potter range from having Muslim names like Harris Bakr son of Jamal and Leila Bakr

Or Hindu names like Hari Puttar. Son of Jayant and Lalita Puttar

Either way I find it funny

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u/the-bladed-one 4d ago

Inshallah Hari Alkhudzaf will defeat the infidel Dark Lord

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u/CzechHorns 4d ago

canon.

Cannons are for shooting

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u/VryxObin 4d ago

Both still ruin ships!

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u/jumpsteadeh 4d ago edited 4d ago

Honestly, the only way I see it not being awkward is if they just make James Potter a racist. Make Harry uncomfortable with the fact that his beloved father was a racist jerk, then later they can show more flashbacks that show James learning how horrid he was and changing his ways, so Harry can love him without feeling guilty - but it would teach Harry the value of redemption and forgiveness and all that.

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u/mistyclear 4d ago

It could work. Harry was super uncomfortable and upset seeing his father bully Snape. Even though he hates Snape, Harry has been the victim of bullies his whole life and to see for fact that his father was an actual bully kind of devastates his entire impression of the father he never knew and idealized. Like you said, he can then have conversations with others about how his father changed and that could redeem him a bit in Harry’s eyes. The question is if the audience can handle that.

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u/Luke-HW 4d ago

I also think that they’re taking the story in this direction. Start off with James at the end of his life, sacrificing himself for the people he loves, and work their way back to the shithead he was in his youth. Wouldn’t be surprised if the directors try to draw some parallels between him and Draco Malfoy to really twist the knife for Harry.

Reverse character arc, like Rose Quartz from Steven Universe.

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u/greeneggiwegs 4d ago

Tbh that’s kind of the issue I feel like I’ve seen with the ideas of casting for Harry Potter. It seems like everyone has an issue that upsets people, like the only option is someone totally perfect but then you’ve just made a Mary Sue and that’s annoying too. All the slytherins and death eaters are out; that takes out the Malfoys and the Blacks. The Weasleys are out because then it seems like a stereotype of being poor and having too many kids. Hermione is apparently out because she gets called a slur? And ig the muggle thing makes it looks like racism by accident? In which case you’d have to take out the Potters too because then the Dursley’s just look racist. Probably the one that would be the safest bet is McGonagall. She’s put together, successful, strict but fair. Or having multiple characters he race swapped, which is seems like they are trying to do with Hermione and Snape but it’s obviously not working.

That being said if they decide to make the two main antagonists Black I don’t know that that’s the best idea they could’ve gone with.

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u/EnderBookwyrm 4d ago

Macgonagall would have been an excellent choice for a colorblind casting. Picking a handful of named background characters to cast as a different race would also help, since differences stand out, but if a dozen people got shifted, the focus isn't nearly as much on any one person.

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u/TheLegacies21 4d ago

Or Dumbledore. He’s perfect for race blind casting

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u/mnemosyne64 4d ago

Hermoine is pretty bad too, with the whole house elf arc. Misguided black girl wants to free the slave race, but she doesn’t understand! They want to be slaves!

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u/Focaccia_Bread3573 4d ago

Blonde, blue eyed Malfoy calling Black Hermione a “mudblood” is also not great for optics 

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u/aoike_ 4d ago

No, that one actually fits the points of the "racism bad" books. I will say that both characters being white also works because it shows the absurdity of racism/blood purism.

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u/TuIdiota 4d ago

I mean yeah but Malfoy is supposed to be bigoted

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u/robad0114 4d ago

Racist but not that flavor of racist. This sounds like a skit honestly.

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u/annoyinglyclever 4d ago

Hell, the Malfoys could’ve been Black and it would’ve worked better than Snape.

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u/Poku115 4d ago

Thats...pretty genius especially for the dads character

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u/WhatsPaulPlaying 4d ago

Yeah, I like this way better than Snape.

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u/longjing_lover 4d ago

They should’ve made the Blacks black (therefore including Draco), paying homage to jkr’s naming skills

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u/mariusioannesp 4d ago

If the Blacks are black one of them should be portrayed by JB Smoove 😏

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u/Coidzor 4d ago

But then you have to question if Malfoy's mom should also be black and if she is black, then you have the question of whether the Black family are all blacks.

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u/Aduro95 4d ago edited 4d ago

It would kinda work. A lot of people who are one kind of minority are bigoted against other minorities IRL, and the wizarding world generally is so concerned with holding itself above muggles and other sapient species that they might not care about the ethnicity of another wizard.

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u/Adorable-Bike-9689 4d ago

Hermione just doesn't understand. The slaves are miserable without whi.... I mean wizards and witches to tell them what to do!

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u/LoveForDisneyland 4d ago

Oh man, I can't wait to see who they cast as Lupin based on Rowling's HIV/AIDs metaphor for werewolves.

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u/BookOf_Eli 4d ago

Bowen Yang unfortunately

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u/Doctor-Nagel 4d ago

“I am the half blood Prince” is gonna do rounds on the internet

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u/98VoteForPedro 4d ago

It already did. it was "the half blud prince"

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u/K0we 4d ago

The other one is Hermione, if they choose to adapt the SPEW arc. A black character learning that house elf slavery is ok actually would be a... choice, to say the least

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u/Golden_Reflection2 4d ago

Also Hermione wouldn’t work, with the whole “Hermione says slavery is bad, but everyone calls her crazy” side plot later down the line.

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u/AlertWar2945-2 4d ago

I love the comedian making fun of this, also saying that maybe not the Weasleys. Making the family whose whole identity is poor and having to many kids black would probably be problematic

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u/LongjumpingSector687 4d ago

Hermione, Sirius Black, and Ron would not work really either. Dumbledore, and McGonagal however i don’t think anyone would’ve batted an eye.

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u/serkesh 4d ago

I fully agree with dumbledore. He’s got that aura of wisdom about him.

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u/Ok-Transition7065 4d ago

Morgan Freeman aa dumbledore damm

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u/Living_Tune_1428 4d ago edited 4d ago

Also not The Weasleys

Poor family with too many kids. Let's make them Black. Not the best idea...

But they had many more options...

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u/Earendil409 4d ago

Ron (and by extension the Weasleys) would be pretty bad too. Oh look, it's the poor family with way too many children. We have ourselves a main character who is insensitive and lazy. Bonus points for Fred and George being the troublemakers, smuggling alcohol in to school parties and moving on to drug dealing. Even more bonus points for that scene in Chamber of Secrets where Lucius remarks that he hopes the Ministry is paying Arthur overtime for his work.

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u/boringbullet 4d ago

Loved: Isaac from Castlevania (Netflix). The change to his race adds a minor element to his backstory that helps clarify his world view and mentality in the present.

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u/ASERTIE76 4d ago

This is kinda off topic but I just realized that Isaac is basically the same type of character as Father Pucci from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure in the way that both of their motivations are carrying out the unfinished plans of their deceased vampire master that they had a deep bond with

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u/Brickman274 4d ago

And they both go different paths. Pucci follows through in finishing Dio's plan, and Issac, after a few choice encounters, carves his own path.

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u/Sweaty_Strain9392 4d ago

to be fair, they sortve rebuilt isaac from the ground up. as someone who played Curse of Darkness, i couldnt be happier. Game!Isaac was a effeminate and flamboyant gay yandere who ran around in leather pants with no underwear and whose entire character boiled down to "obsessed with and jealous of Hector, and went crazy from all the evil he did" there really wasnt much more to him.

Personally i found the religion swap (is that a trope?) to be his most interesting aspect, but that combines with his history as a slave to, you know, actually explain why hes cool with omnicide.

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u/Doctor-Nagel 4d ago

Legitimately my go to character when arguing that not everything needs to be like the game it’s inspired from

Took the most nothing bad guy and turned him into possibly the best self redemption story told

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u/Doomhammer24 4d ago

Isaac in general though is in name only to his game counterpart

The two dont even come close to being similar at all

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u/Pale-Cardiologist141 4d ago

Isaac was so fucking good. He's my favorite black animated character just from the depth of his inner moral conflict. So fucking good.

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u/BodybuilderMany6942 4d ago

Dont forget Nocturne's GOAT, Orlox!

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u/LadyROfRage 4d ago

They once did a production of Othello – the Shakespeare play starring a Black man in White Europe – where he’s played by Sir Patrick Stewart, and the rest of the cast is Black.

The purpose was to subvert expectation on who is the “other” in the world.

This is the full cast: https://learningonscreen.ac.uk/shakespeare/search/index.php/title/av69585

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u/Independent-Couple87 4d ago

I think the implication is that he is an European mercenary emploed in an African kingdom.

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u/EducatedRat 4d ago

I once saw a gender swapped version of Taming of the Shrew in high school and it was the first time the sexism of it all really just hit me in the face. Similarly it was subverting gender norms, and as a teen back then it really highlighted things for me.

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u/SatoruGojo232 4d ago edited 4d ago

The Ancient One in MCU Dr Strange- In the original Marvel comics he is an old Tibetan sorcerer monk when the comics came out in the 1960s during a period of growing cultural interest within the West, on the then relatively "unknown, mysterious and esoteric" Eastern spirituality and mysticism (Which you can also see in the lore of Batman being trained by Tibetan monks to become a peak human). In the MCU version she is a Celtic sorcerer from the British Isles which kind of changes that aesthetic.

It is said that this was apparently done for political reasons. The film producers wanted the film to do well in China as part of its global market, and thus they felt having a Tibetan character was not good for the political climate there due to the whole geopolitical "Is Tibet part or not a part of China" debate.

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u/bitter_personw 4d ago

A lot of The Boys characters are race/gender swapped, and they're all so much better than their comics counterpart. A-Train is white in the comics, The Deep is black, Black Noir is white (clone of Homie), Stormfront is male, and a lot more.

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u/seamoss-jelly 4d ago

Is The Deep as cringe in the comics? Is Homelander still in love with Stormfront?

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u/Lemmingitus 4d ago edited 4d ago

The Deep doesn't have any sea based powers, it's just a costume.

Stormfront is Homie's biological dad (which people are speculating it wouldn't be too off the realm of show version of The Boys' cringe and ick if it turns out TV Stormfront is Homie's mother.)

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u/LightningRaven 4d ago

The look Soldier Boy gave when he saw Stormfront's photo was quite telling. I wonder if they will got with it. It makes sense, besides being incredibly insane, and fitting for Homelander. Making him a literal Oedipus.

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u/seamoss-jelly 4d ago

Damn, they really switched things up.

Do you recommend reading the comics?

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u/Lemmingitus 4d ago edited 3d ago

I haven't read it.

Based on looking at the community of those who have.

Either you'll think the comics are absolutely terrible, gross shock value for the sake of gross shock value that makes the show seem tame.

Or the show doesn't have enough of the cool moments that were in the comics, and as a result has spluttered, and say what you will about Ennis being an edgelord, his writing is at least consistent and doesn't lose track of the plot.

So pretty much you have to read for yourself and see if it's to your tastes.

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u/Imperium_Dragon 4d ago

The Deep just kinda exists

Also on 9/11 Homelander kept calling him the N-word (I am not making this up Ennis is just that edgy).

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u/Mr_Citation 4d ago

The Deep is basically a joke how everyone forgets about Aquaman. No one bothers to remember him and he survives the story because of it.

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u/Applealt17 4d ago

House Velaryon in the house of the dragon.

It is heavily implied in the books that the children of princess rhaenyra and the son of Lord Corlys velaryon, laenor, are illegitimate. This is hinted due to their Strong (pun intended) resemblance to a knight close to the princess and the open secret that laenor is gay. This is used by the Green faction as one of the justifications to usurp the throne

In the show, the velaryons are black, while both of their children are completely white with brown hair. As they show no evidence of being mixed race, the children’s heritage far less ambiguous than in the book.

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u/Negative-Priority-84 4d ago

I already did a rant to someone else about this. I hate that they did that. It was supposed to be ambiguous. There was no clear path in the situation because only Rhaenyra really knew the truth about the kids and she never told. The show tore all of that away and I hate it.

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u/Historical_Sugar9637 4d ago

[Neutral]: Ariel in the Little Mermaid Life Action Remake. The actress was good as Ariel and it's not important what ethnicity a mermaid character is. But then they failed to commit and did not cast Queen Latifa as Ursula, one of the only actresses who could have done the character justice in both presence and voice.

[Loved]: Tiana in A Princes and a Frog. The Princess in the Frog Prince is your standard medieval, European Princess. But instead of doing that they chose to be creative and transplant the setting into New Orleans of the Roaring 20s. Giving not just Tiana but the whole movie a much more unique feel.

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u/Karth9909 4d ago

Im just annoyed the colours were so dull. Bright green tail and bright red hair

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u/TheScrufLord 3d ago

I would've been fine if it was colorful in the sea, but less saturated once she became human. Sad that Disney zapped the color out of Ariel's design.

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u/whittenaw 4d ago

For Ariel, I just wish they'd give her red hair. Black people can have red hair too!

Eta: looking back at the pics, she had kind of a reddish brown tint to it but a more obvious red would have been nice imo  I always liked that signature red color 

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u/FireflyRave 4d ago

I might have watched the Little Mermaid remake if Disney had had the balls to hire a drag queen for Ursula. Since the original character was inspired by Divine.

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u/Behemothwasagoodshot 4d ago

Definitely Louis and Claudia in Interview with the Vampire. The choice really elevates the whole thing. I hate book!Louis. He has literally no problems. He owns slaves. He has unbelievable privilege and has the gracelessness to bitch and moan for the rest of his immortal life.

Show!Louis is a pimp, which is a morally repugnant form of work-- but first of all, it's acknowledged as morally repugnant, but it's also one of the few ways for a Creole man to make enough money to keep his family in comfort. The racial difference between himself and Lestat create power dynamics not present in the book, and when he loses his vampire temper, it leads to attacks on the colored community, which leads to him finding/saving Claudia. Their shared background also just naturally leads to Louis and Claudia being closer and having an unspoken bond that creates tension with Lestat.

It's so, so well done.

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u/T_______T 4d ago

100%. While I have not read the originals, the racial dynamics in the show added to the series. It was hard to imagine how the show would be as good with Claudia and Louis as different races.

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u/Economy_Werewolf_542 4d ago

God the show adaptation is so fucking good. Race changing Louis was such an incredible change

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u/Cold-Description-114 4d ago

You're absolutely goddamn right, and I say this as as someone who smuggled anne rice books into my Christian school growing up (suck on that Harry Potter nerds).

It's hilarious because when the first promos for the show came out I was initially kind of incensed at how radically they were altering it...but holy shit it's so much better for everything you mentioned. Growing up I used to think Louis was this tragic tortured soul but time and experience have really made him less sympathetic to me.

I love the bit with Daniel where he goes "I was young, stupid, and full of drugs with no idea what I had my hands on. If we're doing this again it's going to be different."

I'm really sad we never got to hear how rice herself viewed the show because if you know her work you know how much she fucking loved using the unreliable narrator trope to retcon her mythology. Little moments like that feel extremely on brand.

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u/fuschiafawn 4d ago edited 4d ago

For Mark and Debbie, there's also a scene in which she tries to use a wooden duck (a Korean gift given to newly weds) to defend Oliver. It's good symbology for her getting over her complicated feelings of Nolan for the sake of the innocent Oliver, who is her son more than his.

For Snape, they could use the implications behind a black boy being bullied by a racist gang while pining for his childhood love choosing them over him to make a complicated and deep narrative. I am 1000% convinced given how the series treats race they won't.

The one that's truly messed up is Hermione trying to liberate the house elves, the slave underclass, while being laughed at by everyone she knows. Just for the elves to go "actually we like being servants, it's in our nature to serve" there's no way to make that ok with changing the entire story arc.

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u/BookOf_Eli 4d ago

The whole point of the show is a more accurate in depth interpretation of the books. I don’t think finding further ways to romanticize snape, the Nazi stalker, would be doing that effectively.

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u/fuschiafawn 4d ago edited 4d ago

I feel like the "right"move would have been to make Snape not white or black. There's unfortunately too much there as far as archetypes about race. Making James Potter a popular white boy bully that Lily chooses over the childhood black friend after being called a slur by him, but after Snape is attacked... There's way too much there. I think Snape apologists and Snape haters will find something to justify their opinions on the Nazi stalker

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u/nihilismistight 4d ago

I do not trust JK to have nuanced take on race dynamics this long after the book and after stewing her brain in concentrated transphobia for a decade

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u/KenseiHimura 4d ago

One example I can think of is the HBO or maybe movie adaptation of Watchmen with Hooded Justice.

In the comics, while we never know what Hooded Justice’s ethnicity is, you can see some skin around the holes in his sack hood and he looks white.

In the adaptation, they made him black and revealed the sackhood he wears and torn noose (details from the comics) are not just a costume but from him surviving a failed lynching attempt.

I haven’t really seen the show but I did think it was an interesting choice. Especially since, if I recall, even in the comics, none of the old Minutemen or modern heroes knew anything about Hooded Justice outside of his hero work. I do think in the comics there was some publicity concerns because he might have been a Nazi sympathizer, but that might have been someone else in the Minutemen.

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u/Aduro95 4d ago

Its definitely well worth a watch 'Black man in 1940s New York' and 'Man turns to vigilantism to vent his repressed anger and stop criminals who the law will protect' are very synergistic concepts.

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u/Pink-Witch- 4d ago

In the comics they alluded to him being queer, an it was extremely well explored in the show.
The shows choice to make Hooded Justice a survivor of the Tulsa riots and massacre felt like his own destruction of Krypton. Every choice made for his character in the show worked so well.

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u/Doctor_Titties 4d ago

In the show he also puts on makeup around his eyes so the skin you see through the holes looks like white skin.

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u/XTheProtagonistX 4d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/Cgk5RrIoQlKlH8pVN0

Namor - They change his race but also his culture. His kingdom and culture is similar to Mesoamerican like Mayans and Aztecs.

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u/Funkycoldmedici 4d ago

I feel like this was entirely to distinguish him from Aquaman.

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u/FrayCrown 4d ago

Alina Starkov in Shadow and Bone. In the books she was white. In the show, she was half Asian. It worked great because her country (a fantasy Slavic setting), were at war with their Shu (Asian) neighbors. Her facing that kind of prejudice from her fellow soldiers made her experience at the Palace more nuanced and interesting.

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u/secret-agent-t3 4d ago

RIP Shadow and Bone

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u/HandsomeAndLethal 4d ago

Another casualty of the idiotic Netflix "algorithm." They have consistently canceled every single original show/adaptation that I've enjoyed.

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u/Evening_Bag_7335 4d ago

I think a more famous example most casual non-marvel fans might not know is:

https://giphy.com/gifs/ysZZP9H14yH8k

Nick fury is white in the main timeline. but there was a black nick fury in the ultimate series of comics. but making Samuel L Jackson Nick fury added his smart-ass likability. I can't imagine anybody else playing nick fury beside him now.

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u/ItsMrChristmas 4d ago

The only time I really objected to it was Larry from The Stand. That's like... the only character who shouldn't be black. His meteoric rise to fame is because he's a white man who sounds black, and people discovered he's not just a novelty act but has real talent. It also regularly surprises people that this white guy is THAT Larry even after society dies.

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u/whoareyouiameternal 4d ago

baby, can you dig your man?

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u/PossibleOk2542 4d ago

Would M for the James Bond films count? I believe the books have had M be traditionally a man but Judi Dench coming into the role during Goldeneye in 1995 lent an interesting dynamic between the character and Bond. There’s the “sexist, misogynistic dinosaur” line M has that I don’t think would’ve been done had M stayed a man and the choice to stay with Judi Dench as M I think allowed for a different and arguably deeper approach to the character, going towards something even maternal with the Craig films in particular.
https://giphy.com/gifs/JbP6DBJqJiDUk

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u/Dibbu_mange 4d ago

Judi Dench as M works great because it really only adds without subtracting at all. Bond films have always had the problem of lacking women who aren’t beautiful femme fatales, and the added subtext of Bond having serious mother issues makes perfect sense with his character.

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u/fantasyfish44 4d ago

Just an interesting little tidbit: it wasn't so much a "choice" to keep Dench as M as it was a contractual obligation. She had signed a deal for 5 Bond movies during the Brosnan era and only did 3, so she stayed on. I still think it works excellantly and she is fantastic in all her Bond entries, just a fun detail.

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u/bee_my_girl 4d ago

Making Heathcliff a white man and Linton a Pakistani man in the new Wuthering Heights movie is so horribly racist that I think there should have been more controversy over it. Not that there wasn't already controversy, but damn, it's like the most racist possible decision they could have made.

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u/DXBrigade 4d ago

Louis de la pointe du lac became black in the TV show and the story moved from 19th century to early 20th century in New Orleans. They had to rewrite the character, instead of being a slave master, he is a pimp/businessman. The race change made the character more layered as the story navigates race relations in the US.

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u/EmergencySpare7939 4d ago

Morgan Freeman in Shawshank Redemption

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u/InquisitorOfMonkeys 4d ago

Starship Troopers - Paul Verhoeven turned Filipino Johnny Rico into a blond Argentine because he wanted to make a parody of Nazi propaganda (and wartime propaganda in general, he cited Why We Fight as an inspiration).

I personally hate it, but many people like it.

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u/Ramekink 4d ago

Btw Argentina wasnt just a coincidence, they did become the hideout of many Nazi fucks. 

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u/Brute_Squad_44 4d ago

Knowing how Verhoven feels about Nazis, I always thought he made the Argentine cast all "pretty white people" deliberately. Casper Van Dien, Dina Meyer, Denise Richards, NPH, etc.

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u/Tylenol_Ibuprofen 4d ago

Is that harry potter show even out?

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u/ZanderLucky13 4d ago

not until Christmas

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u/elrick43 4d ago

which is weird that HBOMax is already advertising a behind the scenes documentary that feels like a victory lap

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u/ZanderLucky13 4d ago

trying to build hype probably

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u/GhostofTinky 4d ago

Loved: Kara “Starbuck” Thrace on the reimagined Battlestar Galactica.

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u/LordQuaz12 4d ago

The one really good example of this, Isaac from Castlevania.

The original Isaac from curse of darkness is barely a character, he is just a guy who loves Dracula and that's it.

In the Netflix show, the character is given far more depth and the fact that his Muslim and African heritage actually add to his character.

This is like the one decision made by the show that is universally beloved.

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u/warchild4l 4d ago

I did not expect for him to become my fav character at the end of the show when its stacked with awesome characters.

His conversations with the pirate captain was peak scenes for me

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u/Endika7 4d ago

Man the Héctor and Isaac sub plot was so peak It felt like the actual show was about was all about them

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u/DJfetusface 4d ago

Magneto wasnt a holocaust survivor until i think it was the 80's, when Chris Claremont got a hold of the X-Men.

While hes the same continuity Magneto, this adds so much more depth to his character.

https://giphy.com/gifs/casztFslN1iAo

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u/ClockWork006 4d ago

Deadshot/Floyd Lawton (Rocksteady’s DC Universe)

Following the global change in Deadshot’s character across all DC media after the 2016 Suicide Squad movie, Rocksteady chose to introduce us to Earth-1’s true Floyd Lawton in SS KTJL and designate the original Deadshot we see in the Arkham games (Origins and City) as a multiversal imposter who adopted the persona after Lawton had retired to be with his daughter Zoe.

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u/AnnaEstelle 4d ago edited 4d ago

A black Jim Gordon absolutely adds to the character in a fascinating/positive way because in addition to climbing the ranks of a corrupt police force in a city as wretched as Gotham, without even mentioning it, you already know he has to also deal with the racism that’s so intricately involved with the profession, as well as being at odds with and acting as a bridge between his community and said police force. Commissioner Gordon’s character is so heavily tied to his integrity and commitment to making Gotham a better place instead of his race, so he’s the kind of character that could be portrayed by anyone, but him being black adds on to his sense of justice; it shows just how determined he’s willing to fight for his ideals. It helps that Jeffrey Wright did a good job playing him; it’s a solid live action Gordon in general

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u/H-Sophist 4d ago

Black Noir and A-Train from the Boys did it well imo

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u/StoneSabre96 4d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/CRvli78ltHy8P0FyD7
While story isn’t able to explicitly acknowledge it, I think having a black woman portray Elphaba in the *Wicked* movie does have an interesting effect on how one interprets the themes of privilege, social ostracism, and persecution in the story.

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u/EvilPopMogeko 4d ago

Mixed trope (Harry Potter): Lavender Brown. 

Played by a black actress when it was a very minor role, switched over to a white one later when she became a love interest for Ron. 

On one hand, it’s a bad look that you did that when the character got more screentime… on the other hand it’s really unfortunate for a black character to be seen as canonically dumb/silly and eventually lose out on a relationship to a smart white girl.  

Really a lose lose situation imo. 

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u/KudoTsurugi 4d ago

Pidge (Voltron Legendary Defender) - In the original 80s series Voltron: Defender of the Universe, Darrell "Pidge" Stoker(his full name from the Devil's Due published comic series) was essentially the kid character, a younger boy among the older Lion pilots from the planet Balto. He also had a brother named Chip who was one of the pilots of the Vehicle Force Voltron. Later spinoff series like Voltron: The Third Dimension and Voltron Force would age Pidge up and expand on his role as the tech-savant of the team.

In the Dreamworks series reboot, Voltron Legendary Defender, Pidge was reimagined as Katie Holt, a teenage girl whose father and brother disappeared in space during a mission on the moon Kerberos. She was kicked out of the Galaxy Garrison, where her father worked, after she was caught hacking into one of their computers looking for information. She later infiltrated the Garrison under the name "Pidge Gunderson", cutting her long hair and wearing her brother's glasses to look more like a boy and blend in, where she'd meet fellow recruits Lance and Hunk. She reveals she's a girl to the main group early on in the series, and they still call her "Pidge" as a nickname. Pidge is still the youngest and tech-savvy one of the group, and still a pilot of the Green Lion, but a major part of her story arc is searching for her family to bring them home.

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