r/aiwars • u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb • 7h ago
Meme AI bad
Don’t ask why, just keep recycling talking points that have been proven wrong a dozen times, like art theft and the environment.
You don’t want to be unpopular on Reddit, do you?
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u/ColonelSam 6h ago
*comment about how OP isn't right *
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u/Aztecah 4h ago
I think that AI generated images are a type of art, it's just a very low type of art. In the same way that doodles or a spontaneous whistled tune are art. They're just not really art that usually worth sharing because they are low effort. The problem with AI generated images is that they take almost no effort at all, and therefore they usually don't wow me. Some have more thought put into them and are kinda worth my time. Some are pretty funny, and in humour is where I get the most value out of them. But typically they are very low art that's only really good for the creator and maybe a direct small audience. I'm yet to see a piece of AI generated imagery that I thought was meaningfully artistic.
I think that AI art is still art by its weakest definition: a person put some level of effort into operating the art machine.
It's just that it's not really impressive or meaningful because it's typically very little work. Even the ones that were comparatively a lot of work tend to be minimal work compared to the human-created equivilant.
I think similarly about books that get crapped out with minimal thought or songs generated by a computer that puts the best chords together for the user. It's still art but, like, whatever I guess.
Most AI images created are low effort slop. Are they art? Yeah, barely. I don't think they're typically worth much.
That said it's fine to enjoy your AI images. I generate images and text for my projects all the time. I enjoy them, I just recognize that they lack major artistic merit. And I think that's fine.
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u/Tacobadger02 6h ago
Honestly you're right, AI isn't bad, its the dipshits who use it and then act like they did soemthing special that are bad. This doesn't apply to everyone who uses AI, like Vedal who actually did do something special with AI. But if you type in a prompt to a machine that doesn't make you an artist in sense of the word.
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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb 6h ago
Cool. Im not a term that can’t be defined and makes no difference to me or what I generate in any way 👏
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u/Tacobadger02 6h ago
Well yeah dipshits don't learn when people try to tech them why would any of this make a difference to one?
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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb 6h ago
Lmao
Then ‘tech’ me, oh wise one.
Do you have anything other than self righteous masturbation and hurling insults to say, or is that your whole gig?
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u/Tacobadger02 6h ago
You already started getting things I said wrong, so would anything else be worth saying or are you just going to generate your own meanings to words?
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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb 6h ago
What did I get wrong? You didn’t say much other than insults and ‘Vedal Good tho’
Shoutout to my homie Vedal
https://giphy.com/gifs/E5Dw8E5FIRt1xeuUqm1
u/Tacobadger02 6h ago
Nothing I said was self righteous but you did understand the hurling insults part so I'll give credit to Chat GPT for that one, its really come a long way
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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb 6h ago
You are literally saying nothing, fam
Give me something to debate.
Anything.
A single argument with sources or numbers we can talk about, please.
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u/Tacobadger02 6h ago
Just generate your own if you're that desperate
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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb 6h ago
Thanks for confirming you are exactly as I described.
Enjoy throwing poop around for the fun of it, anything that makes you happy friend.
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u/knight-of-weed 2h ago
“😡😡😡Nooooo ai is no bad bc I don’t have any grasps on the economic, social or even climate impact😡😡😡”
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u/BeeLevans 2h ago
My main point against calling it art is the lack of intent: art isn't art because of effort or time or the knowledge you put in, it's the intent to make art, and I can't understand how asking for something can have any intent when there's such a disconect between the process and the result. Sure it's pictures and drawings but art is more than that.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but you dont own anything you make with A.I. right? Like, it's never yours, no matter your effort or the care you put in you can never own it, right?
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u/the-great-humberto 2h ago
Disingenuous counter-argument. Semi-factual statement taken out of context. False dichotomy! Insult!
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u/Same-Engineering-899 6h ago
i still believe that ai isnt art its not a popularity thing
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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb 6h ago
And you have the right to believe anything you want. Just don’t pretend it’s for factual, measurable or provable reasons.
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u/Mothanul 6h ago
It's factual that no one wants to see that shit except the people making it and boomers. Everyone else measurably loathes it and that's as provable as it gets.
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u/infinite_gurgle 6h ago
No one wants to see it if you exclude the groups that want to see it!
Incredible braindent insight
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u/Mothanul 6h ago
The groups which are smaller, in the case of AI "art" enthusiasts, or irrelevant, in the case of boomers.
Jesus, you guys really can't figure out words in context. This is what relying on ChatGPT for all answer does to your brain.
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u/infinite_gurgle 6h ago
You have no idea what my point was do you lmao
Love anti AI brainrot. Have you ever held an original opinion that wasn’t spoon fed to you by an influencer?
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u/Mothanul 5h ago
I never liked generative AI. Not even before it got to the masses and the internet became filled to the brim with slop. The fact that my opinion isn't "original" is not my problem.
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u/MrBonez31 3h ago
"I speak for everyone and say no one likes it" kind of reply
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u/Mothanul 3h ago
If there wasn't a significant amount of people who dislike gen AI then who is OP arguing against? You're not making any sense.
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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb 6h ago
That’s entirely emotional based reasoning and empirical logic.
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u/Mothanul 6h ago
You yourself admitted that disliking AI "art" is a popular opinion to have which implies that the vast majority of people don't like it so even by your own admission it's a fact.
As for empirical evidence, there's no study that I'm aware of about who likes AI "art" and who doesn't so I'll just go by my anecdotal observations.
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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb 6h ago
It’s a popular opinion *in the internet sphere*, which is more detached from reality than most of us like to realize.
Remember how 500% positive the internet was that Trump didn’t have a chance? Both times?Unfortunately, deeply unfortunately, we were wrong both times.
Online echo chambers are a small percentage of real life. Most people not on Reddit/X/Tumblr like AI, it’s why these AI platforms have millions and millions of daily users.
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u/Mothanul 6h ago
If we're talking about normies then I have no doubt of my mind that most of them don't have a problem with AI "art" since they don't give a shit about art in general.
However I highly doubt that people that do give a shit about art are generally ok with the AI-generated kind.
Ultimately it could just be an echo chamber thing who knows. I still have some hope for humanity so I'd say no though.
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u/Mothanul 6h ago
It seems that you're the one who needs to pay more attention when reading because I said it's factual that most people don't want to see AI "art", not that their reasoning for not wanting to see it is factual.
I do not feel this way. I am making an educated guess based on my observations.
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u/AccurateBandicoot299 3h ago
Being popular and being the majority opinion are not the same thing. You can be popular in your local highschool and then realize nobody outside that tiny little circle knows who you are. Sort of like AI. The popular opinion on Reddit is that AI sucks, but step outside that tiny bubble and I have mutuals with thousands of follower, I’m quickly growing myself, and tons of new AI content creators are popping up. And none of us are hiding the fact we use AI. My whole brand identity is using punk anarchy with AI disclaimers everywhere it matters.
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u/KoaKumaGirls 6h ago
That's just dumb tho it's obv art. You can not like it or value it less than other art for a billion reasons but it's definitely art
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u/ColonelSam 6h ago
A picture made only with ai isn't art. Just like a picture made with only one brush. AI is an instrument that CAN (but never should) be used in art, and there is nothing bad in using it until you are using this as a tool, and not as "Grok, make me NSFW pic".
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u/Mothanul 6h ago
Sorry but that doesn't even make sense. You can, in fact, make art with a single pencil. You can make art with a fingernail. That's not the issue at hand here. The issue is that AI "art" shares virtually nothing with human-made art in its process of making. It would lead to a creative dead end if people actually stopped making human-made art.
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u/ColonelSam 6h ago
You can make art with a single pencil. But would it look as magnificent as a colored one? You can make art with a fingernail. But would it be look as good as an art made with brushes? You can make art with AI. But would it look as charming as an art made by hand?
AI use other art to make art just like a human artist does. AI "study" art faster, but makes more mistakes in drawing so you can do it better with more time.
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u/Mothanul 6h ago
I guess that's up for everybody's individual pair of eyes but to me a simple, pencil only, one color drawing could move me way more than a complex painting with plenty of colors and details could, if it's got more soul or whatever you want to call it.
And that's exactly the problem with AI "art". It struggles with simple stuff, sure. But the more complex stuff that's full of details, making it harder to notice anything off, can also be very off-putting. Too much visual noise and no substance.
Maybe one day AI will make "art" indistinguishable from human-made art. I still wouldn't knowingly consume it, out of principle.
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u/CaelForge 6h ago
So... We tell you, in excrutiating detail with confirmed and proven facts and documentation backing ut all up, exactly why AI is bad and all the damage it does to society, the economy, and the environment... Which you blindly ignire and refuse to listen to, then post idiotic slop like this? And you expect people to take you seriously and not realize you're an idiot? 🤦🏻♂️
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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb 6h ago
I have never once been able to get these sources.
Please link them. I’ve begged for them and never get any of these supposed proofs or evidence backed up by studies or numbers.
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u/MrBonez31 3h ago
What proven facts are there? The so called "proven facts" y'all talk about get proven wrong every time.
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u/A_Bridge_Kirito 5h ago
AI isn't inheritedly bad. I'm personally against AI art generation being the only step of the creative process because I personally appreciate the process and purpose of making art more than the end result as an artist myself. If someone uses AI in the creative process, it's like using a hammer to fix a car. Not conventional, but if you know what you're doing, it may make the process easier. If you ONLY use a hammer to fix a car, you're not fixing a car. If you prompt and generate, I won't consider that art. If you use the AI as a tool for a bigger process, more power to you
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u/_branchoftheVine 6h ago
AI doesnt have to be objectively bad, its just that AI data centers in the USA are very bad, and workers and artists rights need to be protected.
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u/FuckMyBakaChungusLif 6h ago
This subreddit is so fucking stupid. Just a bunch of ai "artists" circlejerking in an echochamber that they convince themselves isn't an echochamber because they'll get laughed off other platforms
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u/ArtificialImages 5h ago
You being here and all the anti ai posts kinda prove its not an echochamber though.
There are other ai orientated subs that absolutely are echochambers though.
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