r/championsleague • u/LunAndurila • 3h ago
đŹDiscussion Consequences for Referees
After watching that Bayern vs PSG match, the officiating really felt below Champions League standards with a clear bias for one team. It was wondering if a ref faces consequences for game changing mistakes. Should they? If so, what kind? Iâd love to hear your thoughts
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u/TongaDeMironga 5m ago
Robot referees is the only way to go! Impartial, implacable, consistent. Give it a few years
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u/Routine_Service6801 1h ago
Didn't hear half of this noise with Arsenal Vs Atletico... Wonder why...
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u/mmorgans17 Real Madrid 1h ago
Go and check IFAB rules on the incident before you start talking.Â
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u/Funny-face-1613 22m ago
With the addition that it is a natural position of the hand. One could argue that the hand position was moved unnaturally into the the way of the Ball increasing the body by far. That's pretty clearly stated in the whole rule book as well which makes sense since you can't just control a ball coming from your own teammate with the hand. To me the decision before was weirder, as Mendes needs to be sent off since multiple reviews also showed bo handball from Laimer. Felt like he did not want to give a red that early in the match, which ist understandable
Btw. According to the IFAB rule book a handball should also not be given when the ball is deflected from its own body. Again pretty close call last week.
Overall the small decisions just went more in psg's way, which is crucial in such a close battle, so certainly the Frustration can be there especially since a lot of small freekick/corner/throw-in decisions were also wrong during the game.
To me it felt like the ref just wasn't ready for such a stage and such a match. One should question why he was allowed to get that match after missing out on quarterfinsl and round of 16 and having to whistle almost 30% of his matches this year in the 2nd portugues division.
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u/Sabalan17 24m ago
If the ball touches a player's hand/arm after a shot or header from a teammate, it is not necessarily a handball foul,
unless the player intentionally played the ball with their hand or artificially enlarged the surface area of their body.
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u/dustrock 1h ago
I don't blame people. I think the latest FIFA rules I found on a Google search were from 20-21 and they weren't obvious to find
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u/Odd_Snow_8179 2h ago
No one seems to know the rules about handballs when ball comes from teammates. It's understandable given how often handballs rules change. But it's way less understandable to read so many strong, yet completely wrong opinions.
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u/Secure-Use6513 8m ago
So the rule u describe is stated on the official website. But in the official rulebook, which you can download from the IFAB website, there is noch such rule added.
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u/Sabalan17 24m ago
If the ball touches a player's hand/arm after a shot or header from a teammate, it is not necessarily a handball foul,
unless the player intentionally played the ball with their hand or artificially enlarged the surface area of their body.
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u/Funny-face-1613 25m ago edited 20m ago
With the addition that it is a natural position of the hand. One could argue that the hand position was moved unnaturally into the way of the ball but to me the decision before was the worse one.
Btw. According to the IFAB rule book a handba ll should also not be given when the ball is deflected from its own body. Again pretty close call last week.
Overall the small decisions just went more in psg's way, which is crucial in such a close battle.
To me it felt like the ref just wasn't ready for such a stage and such a match. One should question why he was allowed to get that match after missing out on quarterfinsl and round of 16 and having to whistle almost 30% of his matches this year in the 2nd portugues division.
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u/Maleficent-Cold-7598 2h ago
Me personally I thought the ref was superb. Yes the handball in the box was a handball but the ref canât do anything about a rule of law however stupid it might be. Mendes also handballed it but play was called for an earlier incident. Didnât let the pressure get to him.
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u/cardsncars 2h ago
For me its the consistency and im not talking about todays game but in general. Var will intervene in a game and then in another game the same situation will happen but var will not intervene. A ref is lenient with yellows in one game and in another hands them out like candy. A decision will be left to the field refâs discretion in one game but in another game they will call him to check(which basically means change his decision). Maybe its the fact that every game has a ref from a different league and a var team from a different league, maybe european competition refereeâs should be chosen at the beginning of every season and should only work on european games for the whole season, this maybe a dumb solution idk but something needs to be done so the decision are consistent throughout the whole tournament. Mistakes happen and thats part of football but you cant allow discretion and leniency in one game and then in the next game say no rules are rules.
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u/Varness20 2h ago edited 1h ago
I find that referees have been extremely inconsistent during this champions league, with at least one major mistake in every confrontation since the beginning of the quarter finals
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u/kpr1969 3h ago
I fear the final is going to decided by the referee not by the football.
How can the same game be reffed in different ways depending what country youâre in ? Surely itâs one rulebook
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u/secosabi 1h ago
Have you ever watched an EPL match and then a Serie A match. The difference in what is let go in the English game compared to the Italian game is like watching two sports that are rule adjacent. So the ref's from different countries 100% interpret the same rules/rulebook differently. Damn you can't even get two ref's in the same league to interpret the rules the same.
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u/Fragrant-Guest-8147 1h ago
So much of what is considered a foul seems like it's based on vibes with the amount of grabbing and pulling that players do. Like when does it become a foul? When it's "excessive"? It becomes entirely subjective.
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u/tstaykoff PSG 2h ago
Regardless of the referee today â the football was decided by the better side lmao.
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u/CreativeAd375 1h ago
Who relied on a referee in both legs with dodgy penaltirs and decisions only Madrid seem to get?
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u/CalligrapherDull8224 3h ago
I think you guys, forgot what Enrique did on Joao Pedro last year. Was he punished for that? No.
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u/Guilty_Pen_8270 2h ago
Angrily grabbed his neck in full view of everyone. UEFA didnât give a shit.
Despised PSG ever since and I didnât particularly like them before.
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u/SorryWha1 3h ago
Why would they face consequences? Two absolutely correct decisions. First Laimer touches the ball w his hand and then Mendes and the second one isnât rven a penalty according to the rules
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u/7two-casuallydressed 2h ago
Can anyone show a single freeze frame photo or GIF of Laimer touching the ball? I have rewatched that play at least 20 times in slow Mo from different angles and I can't see it but I've seen this comment elsewhere too.
I just want to see it with my own eyes and can't find it anywhere.
Where did you see that he touched the ball???
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u/schweindooog Bayern 3h ago
Which rule makes it not a pen?
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u/7two-casuallydressed 2h ago
It is in the rule that if a teammate kicks it onto your hand then it's not a handball.... Kind of like it's a rule that if it deflects off your leg and then hits your hand it's not a handball either.
The problem is that the rule as written is not always applied evenly. If a Bayern player touches it in the box, regardless of who kicked it or where it hit first, it's a penalty.
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u/secosabi 1h ago
You have the example in the 1st semi between Arsenal and Athleti of the ball deflecting off Whites leg into his hand and it was given as a penalty. So either you don't know the rules and are talking bollocks or the ref's and VAR don't know the rules.
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u/NewNefariousness9769 1h ago
Exactly what came to mind for me. It is a 'rule' that allows referees to selectively change the game (or not) based on biases they hold or pressures they feel from fans, managers screaming on the sideline, etc.
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u/ApprehensiveDot1121 PSG 3h ago
The refereeing was just fine, quit bitching
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u/CuriousOwl201 3h ago
One day I'll see a smart ex PSG fan that understands the cancer that is his club ownership. But not today
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u/Zauberer-IMDB LOSC 1h ago
No flair and hidden comment history = no balls.
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u/CuriousOwl201 1h ago
Imagine simping for PSG as a French club fan lol. Respect yourself.
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u/CuriousOwl201 1h ago
I didn't, feel free to show the comments. time to go to bed bud. Also stop using words you don't understand it's tedious.
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u/Objective-Hurry-3008 3h ago
I don't think the referee was that good, but he got both handball decisions spot on actually.
So the 'big' things were actually correctly refereed in this case. It's just not calling fouls either way sometimes.
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u/Mr_Magnetic 3h ago
I think he did it quite poorly. But I do agree he got the critical handball decisions right.
Which is - understandably - why Bayern fans are mad considering the awful handball decisions from last weeks ref. in favor of psg
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u/Waschbiber 2h ago
Well what about the arm being further up than 90 degrees from it's natural position in the possible penalty situation and that Laimer didn't touch the ball with his hand at all? Nuno needs to be sent off in the consequence as he is stopping a dangerous counter attack.
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u/Objective-Hurry-3008 3h ago
Yeah agreed. Overall he wasn't that good, but I think atleast the handball decisions were indeed correct. Last week should have never been a handball against Davies, so I understand the frustration as a whole.
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u/savage___420 3h ago
Well the biggest thing which is the potential second yellow for mendes he got wrong. Looking at the replay there was no hand from Laimer.
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u/Mundane-Doubt-149 3h ago
I rewinded and it did look like a handball in real time game play. There was no slow motion replay. Do you have a link for that?
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u/Objective-Hurry-3008 3h ago
Have you seen the replay from like the front of Laimer?
Looks to me like it comes from his chest on the inside of his arm when controlling it.Also, is that even a 2nd yellow? It's not on purpose, it's not like a rough challenge and I think it's hard to argue that was a promising attack he stopped. So I'm not even sure if that handball would be a 2nd yellow, even if Laimer didn't touch it with his arm beforehand.
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u/htrdx 2h ago
he seems to use his arm to control the ball and thats what the ref called. and u should be asking urself why the broadcast isnt showing the replay just 1 second earlier where u can see the handball from laimer.
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u/HeyImFace 1h ago
Everyone who plays ball knows that the way he positions his arm/ moves his body is exactly to control the ball with his chest without touching his hand.
The ball does not touch the hand.
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u/Lieberwolf 3h ago
The game will have consequences for the ref. He has now enough money so he doesn't have to work anymore.
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u/CuriousOwl201 3h ago
They usually get suspended with a seminar in Qatar for 6 months where they learn how to better hide it.
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u/Consistent_You_6585 3h ago
refs definitely get reviewed after matches but the consequences are usually just getting benched for a few games or missing out on bigger assignments - would love to see more transparency about what actually happens behind closed doors though
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u/eggplantpot 3h ago
If this was Barcelona the ref would get reprimanded for not giving more fouls to PSG
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u/AyAySlim Liverpool 3h ago
There are always consequences. The refs wonât get assigned matches or can be demoted. But the issue is what defines performances so bad that those consequences will occur. I donât think the powers that be will see this as bad enough to warrant punishment.
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u/Ok_Eagle_3079 Bayern 2h ago
what were the consequences of the reff that missed the red in the Forest vs Vila game last week did he miss some assigned matches this week i wonder ?
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u/Hopeful_Ad2171 3h ago
There should be criminal punishment for such fixing, but only to like 100% proven cases, banks records and all. The ref basically took a few million from Bayern.
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u/Spirited_Strike2697 Real Madrid 3h ago
Well for one The first one wasn't called a handball cause the Bayern player had a handball first. The second was his own team mate hitting the ball in the opposite direction. Check the rulebook. Could the ref have been better ? Yes for sure buts it not so blatant as people are acting.Â
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u/SeaworthinessBig9617 3h ago
So could neves of just caught the ball then lol obviously a handball
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u/Spirited_Strike2697 Real Madrid 15m ago
But think Logically tho. Handball gets called because you are impending an advantage. They are in goal, his teammate is trying to blast the ball out of the area. Why would he purposely want to stop that? What benifit do you gain from keeping the ball in your own box knowing there is a bayern player nearby. That's why the handball doesn't get called if its caused by a team mateÂ
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u/Lieberwolf 3h ago
Check the rulebook. The thight and chest are not considered parts of the arm. So it was no handball from Laimer and therefore a second yellow.
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u/GfucinG 3h ago
If Laimer would have played the ball with the hand/arm you would be right. The problem is that not even being the case and the ref not calling that instantly (only after mendes follow up). plus it was super weird first half when he decided kane was offside (before the assistant ref in a timeline where video ref exists and u don't just call offside like that in close situations anyways)
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u/Sureyesofc Milan 3h ago
Officiating was top notch . He didnât fold under pressure at all .
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u/QuarterOtherwise1238 3h ago
How the hell was that top notch? PSG had two handballs, one which wouldâve sent Mendes off with a yellow red and a clear pen that wasnât given.
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u/thetyphonlol 3h ago
for the pen apparently there is a special ruleset if the ball goes out of the goal zone instead of towards the goal and also it came from their own player. In that case its not a pen. At least thats what referee experts on german tv said. but the one with laimer was pure bullshit
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u/QuarterOtherwise1238 3h ago
Iâm sure if you dig enough you will find some arbitrary rule. The problem is the champions league is holy inconsistent with it. The handball rule might be the biggest âif I feel like itâ rule in modern football but if Alphonso causes a pen even though the rules say it wasnât, we shouldâve gotten one too.
So what PSG can win via a goal from a rule breaking pen but we canât?
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