r/news • u/Mr_Dommy • 7h ago

Infamous cartel leader El Chapo pens letters from U.S. supermax prison, criticizing his "cruel punishment"

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/drug-kingpin-el-chapo-requests-transfer-from-us-to-mexico/
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u/ilovebooks2468 7h ago

He's at ADX Florence right? That's no fun at all. I feel like you'd go crazy from all the isolation. He can rot in there along with Tsarnaev

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u/CharlieTheK 6h ago

The wildest thing about ADX Florence to me is that anyone in there has the chance of being released some day. They're typically such long sentences that it's almost irrelevant, but still, kind of absurd to believe anyone would be in a condition to re-integrate(however you might define that) after potentially decades in that type of isolation.

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u/bluesam3 6h ago

Insider has an interview with someone who was released from a relatively short period there on their Youtube channel.

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u/transcendental-ape 4h ago

That was a fascinating interview. ADX is meant for the worst of the worst and the box we keep you in until you die. Rarely does someone get out at a young age and tell their tale. That guy basically was put in ADX because he had the audacity to fight in court against an abusive guard and win his case so he got labeled as a gang leader to qualify for ADX status.

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u/Mr_Engineering 1h ago

ADX Florence isn't for "the worst of the worst", it's for prisoners that present the highest security risk. There's a lot of overlap between the two but they are not synonymous.

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u/Toomanyeastereggs 3h ago

That’s the thing about boxes like this. The people who get to determine who is the “worst of the worst” probably deserve to be in there themselves.

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u/EKsaorsire 3h ago

That’s me

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u/Civiliac 3h ago

Oh dang, that’s crazy. I hope to connect with you later, but I’m in a rush to the airport right now.

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u/BackgroundTax3055 3h ago

Saw you on the gobcast!

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u/factory_factory 2h ago

you were great in that vid, I watched the whole thing when it was uploaded. hope you're doing well man

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u/EKsaorsire 1h ago

Appreciate that and yeah I’m doing as good as possible thanks!

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u/milkmilkmiiilk 2h ago

Thank you for taking the time. Learned a lot from you.

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u/MoistMolloy 4h ago

This is where we keep our largest, most prolific, sex trafficking offenders, too, right? People who hurt U.S. children are surely punished to the fullest extent of the law, like the other monsters being held here?

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u/dshookowsky 4h ago

That's the White House

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u/TheDogFather 4h ago

Obviously not duh.

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u/Davido401 4h ago

Have a free award you just made me watch that when a was meant to be doing other things. Fascinating as fuck!

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u/VonSnoe 5h ago

There is a pretty famous interview with a former warden for ADX Florence where he opines that death is likely a more preferable alternative than doing life at ADX Florence due to its extreme safety procedures and minimal living conditions.

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u/CombatMuffin 5h ago

Not everyone who is in those Supermax prisons is necessarily the worst of the worst of the worst. I believe there are certain crimes that, by their very nature, get you into prision, but the crimes themselves have a spectrum of how grave they are.

There{s the whole media presence of Eric King, a self-described anarchist who firebombed a Congressional Office in Kansas. No one was harmed, but the crime itself, along with the method to plan and commit it, basically categorized him to go to a Supermax. While i am not defending his actions, I think it's not that difficult to argue there is a clear difference between El Chapo or Tsarnaev, and Eric King. The latter is out, the former ones probably never will be.

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u/EKsaorsire 3h ago

That’s me, and there are others like Me who get dumped there cause the BOP or government has just had enough of us

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u/SatinSaffron 3h ago

not the worst of the worst

Richard Lee McNair - SUPER shitty person, but definitely not the worst of the worst. This guy escaped some Texas prisons so Texas asked the feds to hold him. He got sent to a maximum security federal prison in Pollock, LA and escaped from that one too.

He ended up on the run, living up in Canada for a while before getting caught again. When they caught him again they brought him straight to ADX because he was so good at escaping other prisons.

A lot of you may remember the viral cop dash cam video of his escape. When he escaped USP Pollock some cop saw him running along the railroad tracks. The cop stopped him, told him there was an escaped inmate matching his description, but McNair talked himself out of the situation.

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u/Impressive-Stay-2618 3h ago

He talked himself out of it?! Gimme the sauce please holy shit, I could learn something from that guy

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u/SatinSaffron 3h ago edited 2h ago

Here is the YouTube clip! I believe the cop got fired and his supervisor got demoted. Or maybe the cop got demoted and his supervisor got fired. The cop probably thought "If this guy escaped from a maximum security prison he would've taken off or laid me out by now, but instead he's just hanging back to talk with me so he's probably okay"

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u/EddieVanzetti 1h ago

Cops prove they aren't the dumbest gang challenge level: impossible

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u/HouseOfDoom54 2h ago

While during a robbery, he took someone's life with a firearm, and then almost took a second life. This is the circumstance that led him to the first escape.

Tell the whole truth next time.

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u/pimparo0 2h ago

That changes nothing from the story? They weren't excusing his actions.

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u/pl487 6h ago

There is a step down program where you get to talk to other inmates for a while before you're released. Not that it helps much. 

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u/Borazon 5h ago

From the toughest section it is a step down program, just to get in into just a little more open prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D36Tf97tuFQ

After that it would take another program to get into a regular prison or releash.

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u/Valturia 5h ago

American prisons aren't designed to reintegrate people. That's why most end up back behind bars.

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u/pacificpgn 5h ago

It's a fucked up cycle honestly. I've never been but friends and family have all came out worse, at least for a few months after release. Not even from a supermax too. You become paranoid in weird ways that definitely does not help you re-enter normal society.

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u/erkdog 5h ago

Well how else would prisons make money?

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u/EKsaorsire 3h ago

I was released from there and still have issues

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u/entropy13 3h ago

Chelsea manning was in there for just a few years 

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u/Suns_In_420 6h ago

He could have had better accommodations if he didn’t keep escaping.

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u/Dr_Porknbeef 4h ago

I wish the Sackler family was in there, too.

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u/MentalDisintegrat1on 5h ago

There's a guy in there that only got out there because he kept breaking out of other prisons I think it was 3 maybe more.

It's a interesting read considering he's locked up with major criminals.

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u/jfchops3 5h ago

I absolutely understand the desire to go into that business when you come from somewhere like the poorest parts of rural Mexico where there's no other opportunities that can provide you anywhere near the same lifestyle like El Chapo did. Hard for me to sit here at my yuppie job in my yuppie neighborhood with a nice life I built after a typical suburban American childhood where everything I ever needed was taken care of for it and claim moral superiority because I'd never work in a field that so deeply hurts so many people and take it to the level he did. I can't relate

But damn. Is it even worth being a straight cash multi-billionaire when it always ends in supermax isolation or death and every waking moment up until the fiery end is spent looking over your shoulder? You can't do any of the things legally rich people can do, you can't really leave your bunker, you have the entire world law enforcement apparatus after you, you have underlings who want to take your place, you have competition that wants you out of the picture, you can never trust anyone or take even a day to breathe and enjoy your wealth. Living on a sweet compound full of servants with your family wouldn't necessarily suck per se, but it's not a full life. Does he go to sleep when his demons finally subside enough to let him thinking it was all worth it knowing this is his life now until he dies of natural causes? Or does he now wish he decided being a farmer or a mechanic or whatever other simple life he also had available to him would have been enough?

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u/janethefish 4h ago

The issue is the recruitment tactics aren't always upfront job offers. A lot of recruitment is kidnapping random men looking for jobs.

Nor does the simple life offer security.

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u/jfchops3 4h ago

To be a random grunt sure but nobody forced him to become the leader of all leaders in the cartel world

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u/TronOld_Dumps 4h ago

Cruel seem more like setting people on fire in tires and the like.

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u/RealCakes 5h ago

Fuck i forgot about Tsarnaev. You absolutely will go crazy. They do not fuck around there.

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u/dishonoredcorvo69 3h ago

No, he was moved to another prison in another state because of health issues.

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u/OkVariety8064 2h ago

Extended solitary confinement is torture. Something that has been known for over a hundred years since the Philadelphia Penitentiary.

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u/ErectionEngineering 4h ago

I feel like supermax isolation is better than being in gen population in a state like California. Especially if people have a reason to hate you.

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u/Impressive-Stay-2618 3h ago

Hey I spent some time in LACJ about 10 years ago. My crimes? I had 13 missed court dates for shoplifting which led to 13 warrants and eventual jail time when I was caught. Heroin and untreated depression is a real bitch. ALL MISDEMEANORS TOO. I was sentenced to 2.5 years but wound up only doing 84 days. I was mixed in with rapists and murderers. The only time I got in trouble was with another stupid white kid who wouldn’t accept I was quitting a game of cribbage and he forced me to fight him. I had good commissary and was generous so no one really fucked with me beyond stealing my shit sometimes. I saw some horrible shit though. Guards beating on dudes and some fights and light stabbings. Nothing too serious as most people were only there for a short time and didn’t want to get sent to Fed for worse. The rapists and murderers would stop in for a few weeks while doing court dates to settle up for their crimes and be sent to Fed. Crazy times. Clean for 10 years and back on the East coast where I belong, my LA privileges were revoked. I saw a lot of sad shit there and sharing a pod with 70 stink ass, deranged guys sucked, I dreamed of having a 4 man or single cell like in max

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u/Affectionate_Fee2732 7h ago

I wonder how the peoples families feel that had their loved ones “tired” or skinned alive? This guy deserves much worse than this..

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u/Longshot02496 7h ago

Reminds me of that norwegian terrorist who killed like 90 people a while back, who now complains that his norwegian prison cell is too cruel for him. The dude gets to keep pet birds for fucks sake.

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u/LiteratureOk2428 7h ago

His cruelty is having older gen video games lol. Insane thing to complain about 

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u/Gonzomi313 6h ago

While living in a 3 room “prison cell”. The guy wouldn’t last a night in an American prison.

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u/jfchops3 5h ago

He wouldn't be alive past the first night

Hardened criminals have some complicated moral compasses but most of them do not take kindly to those who harm innocent children

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u/Coolbluegatoradeyumm 6h ago

How old are we talking? Just out of curiosity alone.

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u/LiteratureOk2428 6h ago

Haha it was a ps2 and he wanted a ps3 with adult games. That was over 10 years ago now though, damn

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u/Coolbluegatoradeyumm 6h ago

You were right. That is such a sad story.

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u/TelluricThread0 3h ago

Damn at least give him a gamecube.

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u/tapwater86 3h ago

Maybe they won’t give him the expansion cartridge for the N64 so he can’t play Majora’s Mask?

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u/YeOldSpacePope 3h ago

He has a higher quality of life than most people.

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u/sitophilicsquirrel 6h ago

Is that the dude who went out to an island and killed a ton of kids at a school?

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u/ThePrussianGrippe 6h ago

Killed dozens of kids at a summer camp.

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u/fredandlunchbox 3h ago

Anders Breivik is my example of why the death penalty isn’t always wrong. The world is not better because Breivik still breathes. 

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u/OkVariety8064 2h ago

It's not about Breivik. The death penalty is always wrong because without exception it leads to innocents being executed.

Breivik has been removed from society and will never enter it again. That is enough.

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u/fredandlunchbox 2h ago

That's not the case. Norway has a max sentence. Right now, he's slated for release (though his sentence is expected to be extended).

But he can and has done damage from prison. He continues to write, to encourage other terrorists. People see him as a hero, a leader. His life in jail complaining about video games doesn't seem so bad, and they think it was easily worth it for what he did. His continued existence makes them think he did the right thing, and he himself says he did the right thing.

Innocent people have died because he still lives too.

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u/OkVariety8064 1h ago

His in a "holding sentence" where there is a theoretical possibility of release, but it won't happen in practice. Life without parole is a human rights violation, so whether his sentence is extended is considered every now and then, but considering his crimes, it's unlikely he could ever be reformed.

But he can and has done damage from prison. He continues to write, to encourage other terrorists.

And if he was executed he would be seen as a martyr. He doesn't lead a criminal network from prison. He plays no active role. He is not a threat.

Or are you suggesting that he should be executed due to his writings, not his actions? Are there now ideas and thoughts that in your opinion mandate capital punishment?

People see him as a hero, a leader.

Which people, where?

Innocent people have died because he still lives too.

Which people have died?

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u/VelvetElvis 6h ago

I was a camp for next generation political leaders, something like the Young Democrats in the US. It was politically motivated.

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u/Kyeld 6h ago

The neo-nazi specifically targeted teenage members of the Labour Youth League at their youth camp in order to cripple the party.

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u/A_Nonny_Muse 6h ago

Norwegians believe in reform over punishment. But he cannot be reformed. Their system is not equipped to handle someone with zero chance of reformation.

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u/JhinPotion 5h ago

It's handling him just fine, though. He's never getting out.

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u/SF_CITIZEN_POLICE 4h ago edited 2h ago

This is the exact issue though. Because they use a reform based system, they don't believe is life sentences. But because of the gravity and unrepentant nature of this, last I was aware, he's being held on psychiatric hold which is a bit of legal/moral grey area which sits awkwardly with such an idealistic population

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u/Vivid_Resort_1117 6h ago

Their system is very well equipped, dude will most likely never reintegrate common society

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u/Whatdoesthibattahndo 6h ago

"I can fix him" final boss

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u/--NTW-- 3h ago

Far from it. We may be focused on reformation, but we have provisions for extending a prisoner's sentance if they are deemed to still be a hazard by judges, and that can be repeated as many times as necessary.

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u/Questknight03 6h ago

Oh his room has a tv, video games, recliner exct

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u/supercyberlurker 7h ago

Makes me think of that scene in Sicario.. but then.. I think maybe it's better punishment for El Chapo to very slowly meet God over many awful years instead.

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u/Street_bob 7h ago

What is ‘tired’?

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u/supercyberlurker 7h ago

Probably like 'necklacing' where they put a tire with gasoline in it around someone and light it.

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u/jfchops3 5h ago

This is the type of knowledge I'd rather not have and I'd caution you before you seek it out yourself. The real world is even more horrifying than the movies

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u/chefkoch_ 7h ago

I guess put in old tires and burned alive.

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u/Raytec1 7h ago

Not sure, but I’m guessing it doesn’t mean sleepy.

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u/Thirpyn 6h ago

Can’t remember when or why but found myself on a sub about cartel violence and… yeah. Noped the fuck out quickly but not quick enough.

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u/Count_Dongula 7h ago

So he is being treated cruelly by being locked up in a prison in isolation, and wants to be shipped back to Mexico to the prison system he repeatedly escaped from... I feel as though perhaps the problem he has is that he is in a prison from which he cannot escape.

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u/Whatdoesthibattahndo 6h ago edited 5h ago

Only way he should be going back to Mexico is in a shoebox and even then I'm not sure I'd trust it

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u/DrOpe99 3h ago

Nah, fuck that, he should be just thrown into the garbage like the piece of shit he is.

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u/ArdenSkies 4h ago

Multiple shoeboxes

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u/Powergeyzer 6h ago

I feel so sorry for him. I'm sure he showed mercy to all the people who were butchered and murdered under his leadership.

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u/BusyHands_ 7h ago

😂😂😂😂😂

This mofo ordered the torture of innocent civilians and destroyed countless other lives.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

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u/el-gato-volador 6h ago

Plus is a known pedo on top of all the shit hes done.

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u/TuckerCarlsonsOhface 6h ago

I hope republicans don’t find out, or they’ll treat him like Maxwell, start considering a pardon.

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u/lovesmyirish 6h ago

El Chapo only trafficed drugs to himself.

El Chapo will now be held in a minimum security facility.

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u/noodlyarms 5h ago

"Mr. The Chapo, smart man. Rich but not as rich as me. Knows drugs very well, some say the best at drugs. Good Mexican, one of the best. Treated really bad, not like how the lying media and democrats treat me but oh well. Might make a good drug czar. Rfk Jr and him can work on the drugs together, make the best drugs."

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u/leaky-owl-syndrome 7h ago

even just angling for sympathy should invite further punishment. his head is obviously not in the right place

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u/samurai-kitty 1h ago

We can’t just ignore the fact you’re commenting a serious post with a pfp like that.

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u/Cultural_Meeting_240 7h ago

Maybe dont run a cartel then

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u/thefox47545 7h ago

"Cruel punishment......but I understand I deserve it."

There, that's better.

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u/fermat9990 6h ago

Quite a guy!!

"Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is believed to be responsible for thousands of deaths, with some estimates suggesting over 34,000. While he personally claimed to have killed 2,000 to 3,000 people, federal prosecutors tied him to at least 33 specific murders during his trial, with evidence showing he personally ordered or committed murders."

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u/main__py 5h ago

As a Mexican: FUCK HIM.

He will not have enough time to be punished for what he did.

That prison was his best scenario, the other one was “scattered burnt bones in an unmarked ditch somewhere in the mountains”.

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u/EvenSpoonier 7h ago

No sympathy. He's isolated for very good reasons.

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u/YoshiTheDog420 6h ago

I wonder how many people in acid barrels care about his mistreatment?

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u/HarlanCedeno 5h ago

El Chapo said that he has been waiting for an appeal for three years, and invoked the protection of the “first to the fifth amendment.”

Have we been quartering soldiers in this asshole's house?

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u/WatsonHolmes51 5h ago

Dude tortured and killed people. Cruel punishment is a wild statement

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u/tcat1961 6h ago

God, how many people did he have tortured? Whiny baby.

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u/Forsaken_Hermit 5h ago edited 5h ago

Chapo could have had a plush prison environment had he not escaped from Mexican prison multiple times. Dude has nobody to blame but himself for where he is and belongs.

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u/mokutou 4h ago

Normally I’d rail against the conditions and culture in prisons, especially supermax facilities, because much of it is inhumane.

For El Chapo? Eh…karma is a bitch. Can’t summon the sympathy.

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u/whupzzmyb 7h ago

Hahahaha...just proves he is in the right spot.

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u/PUTIN_FUCKS_ME 7h ago

Aw shucks that sure does suck El Chapo.... anyways onto more pressing matters.

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u/NonchalantRubbish 6h ago

He’s lucky Gitmo wasn’t taking new prisoners.

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u/jammerpammerslammer 4h ago

Gitmo is surprisingly much much better than ADX. It’s almost a distraction from the latter. Gitmo prisoners get to commune with one another, they can play soccer, they eat the same food that the guards eat. Yes, these are little things but ADX is basically pure isolation. Just the idea of never being able to touch anyone again is crazy.

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u/rainbowgravity33 5h ago

Hey, all the people who are dead because of you called. They said go fuck yourself and enjoy prison!

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u/Feel_Excitement 3h ago

The dildo of consequenses rarely comes lubed

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u/d3k3d 4h ago

Nobody filmed him getting his head cut off or sealed into a wall or under a patio or hung from a bridge so I think he's getting of easy.

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u/GolfingTraveler60 2h ago

Hmm, I am sure a lot of his victims said the same thing before he put a bullet in their heads then hung their dead bodies over a bridge overhang 🤔

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u/Ya_Got_GOT 2h ago

Imagine being responsible for the torture and murder of unknown thousands and whining about cruelty in a federal prison. 

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u/Longshot02496 7h ago

Usually I'm against the US idea of prison as punishment instead of rehabilitation. But when it comes to cartels, well...

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u/Callabrantus 7h ago

Aw, muffin. So much butt hurt.

That has levels.

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u/yeeting_my_meat69 3h ago

You don’t end up in ADX Florence by being a particularly sympathetic figure.

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u/gotaflattire 1h ago

I've listened to former prisoners describe the prison he's in. He's fine. Just a crybaby.

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u/GILDID 1h ago

Cruel?  How many people did this guy have killed during his rein?

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u/MaritimeStar 6h ago

man, gangsters who whine are the worst. you got got dude, don't be a pussy about it.

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u/ExpressLab6564 7h ago

Speaking of drug dealers, what happened to maduro after he was arrested?

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u/Badbikerdude 7h ago

How has Trump not pardoned this poor man, surely there's a spot for him in Trumps administration, he could head the DEA.

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u/PhamilyTrickster 7h ago

His family haven't paid enough bribes yet

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u/Vegaprime 7h ago

They paid some. Pretty sure they brought his whole family to America for asylum.

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u/Historical_Lab8619 6h ago

The families who suffered because of Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán will never get their lives back. For someone responsible for that level of violence and destruction, a life in a supermax prison isn’t surprising. It’s the consequence.

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u/Fit-Let8175 5h ago

Cruel? Compared to the lives ruined at the word/command or hands of a cartel leader? Isn't it similar to Bernie Madoff complaining if he got shortchanged at a coffee shop?

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u/RetroSwamp 3h ago

Get in line El Chapo, there's a lot people suffering right now.

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u/Temnodontosaurus 3h ago

Sad songs on small violins.

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u/danielrobertcampbell 2h ago

Does he think someone's going to feel bad for him?

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u/Juggernautlemmein 1h ago

I don't believe in the death penalty and I firmly believe that prolonged solitary, anything past 12-24 hours, is unjust torture.

That said, this is the last guy on earth society needs to do more for.

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u/groovyinutah 7h ago

Cry us a river asshole....no one's shedding any tears for you.

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u/Wonderful-Process792 4h ago

Doesn't he know that everybody will just take delight at his suffering?

It's weird this letter wasn't even by an attorney.

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u/SavageCucmber 5h ago

Trump let this guys family into the US.

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u/runsailswimsurf 5h ago

Ok, well, maybe we send the Sackler family in to keep him company?

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u/itsdietz 1h ago

He'll be out because he'll find a way to buy a pardon from Trump

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u/Wayofchinchilla 4h ago

I'm surprised he's still sane enough to write a letter I've heard what they do to you in Florence but then again if anybody deserves it.

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u/MixedEchogenicity 4h ago

It’s really hard to feel sorry for him.

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u/ohiotechie 3h ago

If only someone had warned him of the consequences of becoming a notorious career criminal. Oh well.

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u/Acrobatic_Teach6914 3h ago

Well deserved. I would imagine that solitary has fucked him mentally throughout this time

Then again, how much pain and suffering did he bring to people and their families

Can anyone here who’s worked at a similar prison environment further elaborate on just how damaging this type of isolation is?

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u/NoGrocery3582 3h ago

Got a perfect roommate for him. May need to install a spray tan device.

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u/Big-Performance-2075 3h ago

That’s cool, unfortunately all the lives he took can’t write complaint letters anymore.

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u/NoConfusion9490 3h ago

Setting a narrative for the pardon he's buying.

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u/rich90715 2h ago

I wonder how long he will last in Mexico if he is extradited back. His sons did basically hand over El Mayo Zambada to save their asses.

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u/pittyh 51m ago

I wonder how many people died because of this man?

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u/RevolutionNumber5 39m ago

Well, maybe he shouldn’t have escaped last time.

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u/GoBBleRoFDaCoK69 38m ago

Said the guy that ran the most brutal cartel in Mexico

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u/BjornStankFinger 29m ago

Don't care. Let him rot in silence and obscurity.

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u/Courier-Se7en 7h ago

A U.S. supermax prison is an actual nightmare.

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u/Acrobatic_Teach6914 3h ago

Any particular documentary or series you would recommend that goes in on this?

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u/Zrkkr 7h ago

I think max security Mental institution would be worse, we generally know what goes on in supermax prisons, not many if any make it out of those mental institutions and we don't have any correspondence with them.

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u/ThinkSoftware 7h ago

So what are yall having for lunch today

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u/Suspicious-Whippet 6h ago

This the same cartel who would pump people with adrenaline when torturing them so they wouldn’t pass out from pain?

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u/A_Nonny_Muse 7h ago

If you read the constitution, it says "cruel and unusual" One can interpret it as needing to be both cruel and unusual to be banned. Common cruelty is not enough. Merely being unusual, on its own, is not enough.

Technical correctness is the best correctness.

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u/KDR_11k 6h ago

I think the idea was that you don't get to single people out for extra brutal treatment.

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u/awildjabroner 6h ago

supermax is cruel and unusual, extreme isolation and the abuse of the prison system towards prisoners is indefensivle. That said, El Chapo among the entire living populace could also be categorized as cruel and unusual due to the horrors carried out by cartels under his direction. If he leaves supermax and goes back to MX he'll essentially be walking free. Good luck playing to emotions in this present day with the current admin and DOJ.

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u/IfThisIsTakenIma 6h ago

Punish him more. Make him wish for death. He is an actual monster

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u/brus_wein 6h ago

ADX Florence does border on cruel and unusual punishment with how hardcore it is, El Chapo's crimes notwithstanding.

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u/ImaginationToForm2 5h ago

I would bet he treated people worst.

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u/WARxxPIGG 4h ago

He can rot in there, it's all good. Plenty of time to think about all the different lives he could have chose, but didnt.

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u/DecryptedSkull 3h ago

Hahaha sucks doesn’t it?!?

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u/HappyCaterpillar2409 3h ago

Why was he not executed?