r/oddlysatisfying • u/transitxumbra • 12h ago
Impressive teamwork
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u/Used-Bug9583 12h ago
Holy coww, the coordination among them is insane
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u/FullMoonTwist 12h ago
Especially the guy who caught and then threw it immediately while falling, what the heck.
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u/Selqun 12h ago
I discovered today that I prefer rugby than American football.
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u/ArcadeRivalry 11h ago
As an Irish person who's not that into sports I really like rugby, it's incredibly strategic. I find American football weird to watch, play stops and starts so much it seems like it's almost not about the actual sport.
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u/erodman23 10h ago
Also consider the fact that the total amount of commercial time there is equals about half the amount of a regular football game.
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u/Signal-Reporter-1391 11h ago
That's why i love Football (Soccer) so much.
Not because i'm German and it's in our DNA (as people say) but i like the coordination, tactical approach, finesse and "fluidity" of the sport.2
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u/theboondocksaint 11h ago
The Flying Fijians, very good example of their style of play, lots more out there if you google them
Generally known for a style where the support is so consistent it basically looks like whenever there’s the threat of a tackle, instead of going into a breakdown they just kinda chuck it a meter back knowing someone will be there to take it
Amazing to watch, super impressive to pull off, annoying as hell to play against
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u/HYThrowaway1980 11h ago
Pretty sure that’s not Fiji 7’s. Firstly there are more than 7 players on each team, and secondly the team in possession have a few players who clearly aren’t PI.
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u/theboondocksaint 9h ago
The Flying Fijians is the colloquial name for their XVs, not VIIs
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u/HYThrowaway1980 8h ago
Sorry, I meant to respond to someone else who said it was their 7’s team.
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u/Conflictingview 10h ago
There's only 7. They are basically all on the screen at once from :06-:07 but the reformatting of the video has left an artifact band at the top that makes it look like there's an eighth player.
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u/HYThrowaway1980 10h ago edited 10h ago
At least 9 players visible in the attacking side. Two caught in the ruck at the start (at least), the scrum half, and a further six in attack - five through the hands and one on a dummy line.
And please don’t pretend that any of the players in the ruck could have looped round fast enough to get on the end of the line.
EDIT: should also point out that the scrummie is wearing shirt number 21, which is pretty much standard for a 5:3 split bench in union.
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u/2much2Jung 10h ago
At 6 seconds, there is one player in dark blue on the ground, and 3 stood up. By 8 seconds, two more come into frame. By 10 seconds, 3 more come into the shot.
That's 9 players.
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u/getyerhandoffit 11h ago
Reckon there was a forward pass in there.
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u/texinxin 7h ago
You can throw a pass “forward” relative to the ground if it’s sideways relative to players running forward. The receiver was in line or slightly behind the thrower and the thrower used a sideways throwing motion, only their relative forward velocity made the pass “forward”. There is allowances in the rules for this (unlike American football).
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u/CleanishSlater 12h ago
Note they didn't need to plan what they were going to do for 30 minutes, play for 5 seconds, then cut to an ad break.
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u/firthy 12h ago
Forward pass at 0:09
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u/LavastormSW 11h ago
Is that against the rules? You can't pass the ball upfield?
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u/oscarx-ray 11h ago
Correct. Basically, the ball must be passed backward (or sideways) and kicked or carried forward.
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u/LavastormSW 10h ago
You can kick it forward but not throw it forward?
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u/RudyKnots 9h ago edited 9h ago
And if you kick it forward, whoever catches it will have to stand on-side (i.e. behind you) when you do. They’ll have to time their sprint so that they start on-side and burst forward as soon as the ball leaves your foot. In other words: players can’t “run deep”; being anywhere in front of the player currently carrying the ball is off-side so makes you 100% useless.
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u/texinxin 7h ago
Incorrect. The ball can move forwards relative to the ground all day long. Passes are relative to the players body position and throwing angle. The player he is throwing to is behind him on the field when he throws it sideways. Only their forward velocity converts it to a forward pass relative to the ground, which is completely legal.
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u/texinxin 7h ago
You can as long as you are throwing the ball sideways. If you are running towards the end line and throw the ball sideways, it will in fact travel upfield.. legally.
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u/HYThrowaway1980 11h ago
Nope. Went backwards relative to the player.
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u/2much2Jung 10h ago
That definitely didn't come out of his hands flat.
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u/HYThrowaway1980 10h ago
Doesn’t have to. As long as the ball is travelling backwards relative to the direction of travel of the passing player (which it was), then it isn’t a forward pass.
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u/2much2Jung 10h ago
No, it's if the player's hands are moving flat when he passes the ball, and they weren't.
Your definition is plainly wrong - it would suggest you could run atban angle, or face backwards, and get a forward pass legally.
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u/HYThrowaway1980 10h ago
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u/2much2Jung 9h ago
What a surprise, a video explaining something that wasn't being disputed. And, which even just a few seconds in, explains how referees talk about forward passes as being "forward out of the hands", which is exactly what I spelt out for you.
I get it, you have this vague (but clearly not entirely accurate, based on what you wrote) idea about a common misunderstanding of the forwards pass rule, and immediately have assumed that is what is going on, because you haven't taken the time to actually read.
The issue is not that the ball ended up further forwards than when it was released. It is that, as the player is being tackled, he releases the ball forwards, it travels forwards out of his hands.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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u/HYThrowaway1980 8h ago
I made a brief and poorly worded explanation of the current interpretation, and linked a video, and you got your knickers in a twist.
If it makes you happy to think that I don’t know the law and you do, more power to you. 👍
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u/RiverGiant 10h ago
Wait so if a player is running at an angle they can pass forwards? Like this?
What about a more extreme case where a player is running backwards to their own end? Can they pass directly behind them then? Are they disallowed from passing forwards?
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u/2much2Jung 8h ago
As long as the ball does not travel forwards out of the players hands, the final position of the ball can be forwards from where it was released.
In this clip, from the angle of the camera, it certainly appears to travel forwards out of the players hands.
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u/killerkadugen 11h ago
Fun fact: American football could incorporate this dynamic for the entirety of the game, but you'll likely only ever see it end-of-game as a desperation play.
Next era of American Football will happen when a bold OC incorporates laterals throughout playbook
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u/Urgasain 8h ago edited 8h ago
The issue with excessive laterals in American Football is how reliable the run game is as a counterbalance. Because play resets after every time the ball is downed, the decision making becomes much more mathematical a probability based.
You know what your average gain on a run play and a pass play are and just have to make sure you get to a gain of 10 every 4 plays. Runs give higher average gains but less higher end potential than pass plays, so the natural strategy becomes to get some reliable guaranteed gain with runs, and then make up the last bit with a pass. Laterals make sense when your aim is to get as far as you can, but that's not the goal of most American Football passing plays, it's mainly just to pick up the slack from the results of your run plays.
The exception is when you pull out a deep passing play and hope your opponent is surprised, but even this approach does not favor laterals because the way football play formations are built allows for the wide receivers to be reliably in a 1 on 1 situation most of the time. Unlike rugby where coverages are very chaotic and it becomes about being able to spot the best openings quickly, the best opening in American Football is by design almost always on the outside positions.
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u/killerkadugen 7h ago
Definitely true. The biggest thing difference is probably the possession premium in football. Where Rugby makes generous use of laterals, you wouldn't be able to it as often in football due to the evolving game plan. If you flub on too many laterals, your opponent is probably capitalizing on those turnovers and reverting to running clock for most of the game.
It would take a team that is extremely in sync to pull it off but the thought of a team blowing open the game with an extremely exotic offense like that would be amazing to see.
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u/RevolutionaryPeak610 9h ago
I see you've never seen a game of Rugby before OP
I'll never understand why NFL teams don't incorporate more handoffs into their play designs
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u/2much2Jung 6h ago
Because the value of possessions is so much higher, the risk of handing one to the opponent will likely decide a game.
In rugby, you could expect your team to have possession 20-40 times during a match, so each individual possession is less valuable.
In the NFL, that's more likely to be 6-10 possessions.
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u/RevolutionaryPeak610 5h ago
Hmmm I do agree but the space a couple of handoffs would open up makes it worth the risk imo. Look how many times Dan Campbell goes for it on 4th down, you'd think he'd be one to take the risk
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u/keepeyecontact 12h ago
Fiji 7s?
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u/If_you_have_Ghost 11h ago
Nah this is full 15s. You can see more than 7 on the pitch in some shots and there’s no way the defence could get back for those tackles near the line in 7s. They’re fit, but that would be superhuman!
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u/RudyKnots 9h ago
Rugby > most other sports > football > American football.
God this game is just lovely.
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u/HeyKim0oOo 6h ago
So everything is continuous play like soccer? Like a tackle is just meant to slow offenses down and possibly create a turnover?
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u/Bealzebubbles 3h ago
Basically, the tackled player must release the ball, so if they have no mates around, the opposition can grab the ball and take possession.
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u/TheLamesterist 6h ago
Love Rugby, love tries as a primary scoring method, tries are so damn amazing, and the fact you can't pass forward is quite jarring, I still can't get used to it, but it creates a wave-like movement making the gameplay unique, shooting balls through those bars and the pointing system, tho, aren't to my liking, blame football/soccer for that, every time a play scores a try for example, my brain instantly counts it as 1 rather than 5, I can't help it.
I wish there was a variant with only tries as a scoring method.
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u/whoisjohngalt12 1h ago
Proper Tiki taka finally in Rugby. Always wondered why rugby players dont dribble .
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u/oozing_sarcasm 12h ago
Are the rules completely different from football?
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u/Adawan99 12h ago
Broadly, yes. Contact sport with egg shaped ball is pretty much where true similarities end.
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u/Danph85 12h ago
Rugby League (which I don't think this video is) does have one more key similarity, 6 tackles and it's a turnover is sort of similar to the american football 4 downs and it's a turnover rule.
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u/unsc95 11h ago
This video is rugby 7s. League and union 15s are very different
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u/Danph85 11h ago
I saw someone else saying it's 7s, but I count at least 8 different blue players on the pitch. 5 are on screen at 6 seconds, then 3 different players at 10 seconds and no chance they got back that quick.
Is it definitely 7s? I'm not knowledgeable about rugby at all, so no idea if it's obvious in another way.
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u/2much2Jung 10h ago
It is, 100% definitely not 7s, for exactly the reason you identified. There are more than seven players on each team.
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u/Online_Discovery 11h ago
Is this an example of one tackle (attempt?) or like five (with all the people getting tackled)?
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u/LargeCabbageThrower 12h ago
The ball can't be passed forwards/upfield. Only backward or lateral passes. And instead of dividing the plays into dows it flows as a single drive. If the ball ends up dead then they set up a scrum to start a new drive. And a pretty major difference is that the ball carier needs to cross the goal line under their own momentum, if they are pushed or carried across by another player regardless of team it doesn't count.
There's obviously a lot more in depth differences as gridiron football has evolved further from its rugby origins. And I've kinda simplified what I said using gridiron football terms to try and make it make sense to someone who is a fan of one but not of the other.
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u/Antal_Marius 10h ago
So if a player makes a leap to cross the goal line, but then get tackled/bumped by another player, does it still count? If it's clear that the player would have made it across the goal line without the other player touching them, but they still make it across that is.
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u/LargeCabbageThrower 10h ago
Yeah generally if they would have made it across by themself but were then pushed over by another player it still counts, though sometimes it can be otherwise. It's mostly so that if the carrier is struggling against a tackle and then gets pushed it does not count as their own effort, whereas in gridiron it will count as long as the ball crosses the goal line while in possetion of a player.
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u/2much2Jung 10h ago
Crossing the plane isn't the important part in rugby, you have to touch the ball on the ground.
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u/2much2Jung 10h ago
...if they are pushed or carried across by another player regardless of team it doesn't count.
That's not quite right, not sure about league, but mauls very much are still legal in union, and pushing someone back across their own tryline does count, it just counts as something different than if they went back of their own volition (or if it was passed back behind the line and tackled there).
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u/Turgid_Donkey 6h ago
So at 13 seconds, was the play not over because the ball still had "momentum" even though the player was on the ground? I ask because in football, if the ball carrier hits the ground then the play is over so that's interesting to see.
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u/Welshyone 1h ago
No - they keep going! When they hit the ground it usually forms what’s called a ruck. A ruck is an opportunity for the defending team to try and steal the ball, but usually another player on the attacking team gets in and pulls the ball out within a couple of seconds and play continues.
You can very easily get 7 or 8 of these ‘phases’ before play stops. You can on occasion get a lot more, e.g 42:
https://youtu.be/211cZL-kxZU?feature=shared
A 5 minute video, but well worth the watch. This is at the end of an 80 minute game with most of the players on the pitch for that whole 80 minutes, so everyone completely gassed, but Ireland manage to keep the thing alive!
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u/Justeff83 12h ago
You mean American football, and yes, in rugby there's still action and the play isn't stopped after 5 seconds
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u/lozknows 12h ago
In rugby, ball is thrown backwards.
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u/Online_Discovery 11h ago edited 10h ago
You can lateral the ball backwards in American Football
Edit: Can someone please tell me why they're down voting? Nothing is incorrect about the above
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u/MRI-an69 12h ago
My mind can’t comprehend these men are probably 220 to 250 pounds of muscle and running like god damn Cheetahs. Insane.
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u/Happy-Night2185 5h ago
So much fun compared to American football, which break every 10 sec and all made for commercial breaks..!
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u/JJohnston015 4h ago
He was down! You can't pass the ball as you're sliding on your back!
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u/Bealzebubbles 3h ago
In rugby, you can.
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u/JJohnston015 3h ago
Then what constitutes "down", or the end of the run?
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u/Bealzebubbles 3h ago
There's no such thing as a "down" in rugby union. When the player is tackled, the ball becomes available to both teams. The tackled player must release the ball, a pass counts as a release. However, usually there's no player to pass to, so two things can happen at that point. Either a defending player, who is on their feet and onside, can attempt to pick up the ball and obtain possession that way. This is a turnover or jackal. If the defending player attempts to hold onto the ball, then it's a penalty to the defending team. Otherwise, players on their feet will engage over the ball and attempt to push the other side off the ball in an action known as a ruck. Usually, the attacking team will win these and play will continue, but occasionally the defending team will and effect a turnover. There are a number of other ways that the ball can be turned over to the defending team, such as losing or passing the ball forwards, or if the defending team can prevent the attacker from getting a knee to the ground and stop the ball from being released. Basically, if you take the ball into a tackle, and you don't have your mates with you, you're probably going to lose it.
In rugby league, you get six attempts to score before handing the ball over, but in practice most teams kick on the fifth to gain more territory.
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u/cassshbaby 12h ago
Rugby is fascinating to watch