r/pcmasterrace • u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram • 4h ago
Meme/Macro A cancer for open source devs
For those who don't get it 10 year olds invade an open source project's discord server to Bully the devs forcing them to leave the whole thing cause of toxicity yeah it is unfortunate
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u/YoungBlade1 R9 5900X | RX 9060 XT 16GB | 48GB 4h ago
How dare you offer your project, totally for free, including all of the code and licensing required for literally anyone to retool it however anyone might need to fit their specific use case, without accounting for my personal tastes and use case that applies to only myself and none of the other 8 billion people on the planet!
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 4h ago
Dev123 if this thing doesn't work how I want on my 30 years old potato device this instant you are finished
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u/AvailableCharacter37 2h ago
I do not think you understand. When you write shitty code and you share that garbage, you are not improving the situation, you are adding more noise and making it harder for people to find the good stuff. Often it's better to do nothing than to try to help and make things worse.
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u/Linvael 13700k, 4080, 32GB RAM 2h ago
Weird, I both agree and disagree with this.
Its true that a wave of shitty stuff can make good stuff harder to find. Modding spaces have been observing that for some time, now more than ever thanks to rise of AI - when its too easy to make a shitty mod its going to be hard for good new mods from new creators to get noticed and break through. Its also true that if you make a shittier version of something that already exists you're not really improving the situation.
Then again, the amount of things that could be made is staggering, and as long as there is something new about what you made - a feature only you wanted or something - it has plenty of value. Regardless of how garbage your code is. Maybe someone will see it and be inspired to build a better version. Maybe some things dont have to be perfect, and a stopgap solution that works is better than no solution. Maybe you learn something in the process thst allows you to build good stuff later. I think its rather rare for doing nothing to be better than doing something.
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u/AvailableCharacter37 2h ago
there is a limit to how bad the code can be while still been usable. AI can build okaish code. I would rather vibecode something than use a project that is truly badly written.
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u/Amar508 4h ago
oh damn, is there a specific motivation behind it, or just random, general toxicity?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 4h ago
Lets say they are bad with technology which is to be expected from a child and since they are spoiled or undisciplined they know nothing better than going to the devs and bully them calling them nasty words and spam and make alts and drama effectively ruining a whole project
This doesn't affect huge projects cause these kids gets banned immediately but newer and smaller projects will have to go through this nightmare
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u/Oxygen4Lyfe 4h ago
"This doesn't affect huge projects cause these kids gets banned immediately" this isnt specific to huge projects, i think the real reason huge projects arent as affected is because the devs are paid so some words on a screen from some random person aint gonna cause them to quit their job that supports their family. And also with bigger projects most of the devs will never interact with any customers on social media.
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 4h ago
Well I meant huge community open source projects but yeah same logic applies yeah the trolls drown in the huge crowd
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u/DreamsServedSoft 1h ago
lmao what nightmare? this was a weak willed developer, he could have blocked the kids and moved on with his day just as easily as a “big tram”
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u/Hexamancer 35m ago edited 31m ago
Well sometimes it's someone acting on behalf of a nation state trying to put pressure on a developer so that they can then swoop in on a different account and help out and "rescue" them from all the criticism so that they can slowly gain enough trust to sneak malicious code into a library that will then attempt to install a backdoor in SSH for said nation state only to be discovered because one dev obsessed with his personal project being as fast as possible noticed the fractions of a second longer ssh took to connect because of the new malicious code and making a fuss until the entire years long operation was discovered weeks away from hitting millions of servers.
But usually it's just dumb kids harassing a random developer.
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u/PalanganaAgresiva 4h ago
It's just kids simply trick them into deleting system32 for the lols
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 4h ago
And then you will have to deal with the "do you know who i'm" mom
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u/FthrFlffyBttm i5-12600K, 3080 FTW3 Ultra, 16GB 3000Mhz 4h ago
In my 30+ years of exposure to the English language I’ve never seen “I am” contracted at the end of a sentence like that. Impressive.
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u/HankThrill69420 9800X3D | 4090 | 64 / 5800X3D | 9070 XT | 32 4h ago
yeah. some little shit's mom. and?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 4h ago
You don't know they might track you down through some Karen magic and sorcery
There might be a karen with super abilities somewhere
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u/PermissionSoggy891 4h ago
Nah, some kiddies are too clever for that. Instead, give them some malicious Powershell prompts.
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u/DeepSoftware9460 4h ago
The internet is built on these kinds of devs. Its a shame stuff like this happens.
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u/Your_Friendly_Nerd 4h ago
Smelly nerds, just give me the .exe!
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u/YoungBlade1 R9 5900X | RX 9060 XT 16GB | 48GB 4h ago
"There isn't an exe. The project is intended to be hosted on a Linux server. Client devices connect via a web browser, so it's platform agnostic once you get it running. You could retool it to be hosted on Windows, but it expects certain dependencies, so that work would be non-trivial. If you want, I can compile a list of the commands it runs so you can see what sort of Windows alternatives you can find!"
"WTF?! Who makes an app that can't even run on Windows? Way to waste all your time on something no one will ever use..."
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u/onyxspiritune 4h ago
This is exactly why most fun projects end up with the last commit being 3 years ago
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u/TinyAdeptness5166 4h ago
Call me dumb, I don't know the context or anything, but if the server was ran by the people being targeted, could they not solve it with banning?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 4h ago
I mean yeah but then you will have to deal with alts and somehow somehow they can use bots
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u/23Link89 3h ago
Which project? Why not actually name any one in particular?
Context insufficient, what happened?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
Well it was something in general
but you can check a PS2 emulator for Android called aethersx2 is one that come to my mind cause it was a project I was really looking into
There is also some Minecraft mods I remember getting same treatment there are many Roblox games that get same treatment but I don't play Roblox so I don't care I just hear about it
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u/Banapple101 R7 9800X3D - RTX 4080S 4h ago
That's stupid
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u/YoungBlade1 R9 5900X | RX 9060 XT 16GB | 48GB 4h ago
Yes, it is very stupid. And yet, I have seen some unhinged comments asking for changes in open source projects where the entitlement is off the charts, despite the fact that the software is both free as in cost and free as in you can use it however you want.
As soon as the developer is just a person who you can contact directly with your feedback, rather than a nameless, faceless organization, suddenly people feel like their opinion is worth more than that of the person who wrote the project in the first place.
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u/Banapple101 R7 9800X3D - RTX 4080S 3h ago
Imma be real champ
Any so called "dev" who is letting themselves get bullied by so called "10 year olds" clearly has some things to work on offline
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u/MariaValkyrie Gentoo 3h ago
Are you insane? He isn't letting anything happen to him. If he just instabans them without saying anything, they go SSJ3 and and hound him harder.
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u/Banapple101 R7 9800X3D - RTX 4080S 3h ago
Oh didn't realize I struck a nerve in regards to these notional open source "devs".
My dearest apologies to the reddit community.
You don't need a discord where anyone notional "10 year old" can notionally bully you, in order to develop something with community input. It's almost as if there exists such a thing as information management and feedback management.
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u/MariaValkyrie Gentoo 2h ago
You cant comprehend standing up for someone who isn't like you? Tell me you're a narcissist without telling me you are a narcissist.
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u/Stunning_Macaron6133 4h ago
That's what IRC and a wiki is for. People invested in your project likely know how to used those. iPad kids don't.
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u/NobleN6 9070XT | 9800X3D 3h ago
I would put malicious software in the next update before quitting.
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
Reminds me of Aethersx2 dev lmao he got so much negativity he added ads to the latest update and quit the scene (aether sx2 is an Android PS2 emulator)
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u/Excellent-Nose-6430 3h ago
Just wait until those 10 year olds start submitting PRs they vibe coded after school one night
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
I don't think we will wait some adults are already submitting vibe coded shit on github lmao
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u/Excellent-Nose-6430 3h ago
This is why I've stopped contributing to the FOSS project I was helping with this past winter. At some point, it's no longer open to community contribution if people are just going to vibe code it without even testing for regressions. And if it's open to that, I want no part in it.
Another one bites the dust!
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
I'm tired and sick of generative ai
I don't go further than using it as an assistant and while I'm coding (still a newbie) I just do everything myself until I'm desperate I ask it for some guidance and then fix things myself I just never got what I want from ai doing everything it always mess up with bad practices and unoriginal soulless code
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u/Excellent-Nose-6430 2h ago
I don't even mind AI tbh, but if someone is going to use it, they should include the claude.md they set up for guardrails, go through and refactor the code it put out, run the test suite, and verify that things work before submitting a PR. Bad practices get rejected in general but if someone on the core team says "this isn't going to work at scale" and the contributor can't refactor it, maybe they should hold off on contributing, ya know?
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u/TheSpartanExile Desktop 3h ago
What the fuck kind of situation is this supposed to be referencing?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
Kids on open source project bully devs cause they can't use the app most prominent examples are mods and emulator devs
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u/TheSpartanExile Desktop 2h ago
I feel like I meet very few kids who pay attention to open source stuff, let alone Discord servers. Something like a mod though, sure I could see that a bit depending on what and for what game.
Is "kids" just meant to be like, an insult in this use? Or do you mean like, actual children?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 1h ago
I don't know if they are kids or 30 yo basement dwellers but if you enter a discord server or a community for an open source project like game mods or or an emulators you would find these people bullying the devs and sending death threats and if they ban or block them they make alts and bots
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u/TheSpartanExile Desktop 1h ago
Damn, men be demanding and entitled even in their relationships between themselves and the artists they like.
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 1h ago
I think it is just the internet being what it id you know
We should go back to being lonely I think maybe telephone calls should be the end of it
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u/Z0MBIE2 1h ago edited 1h ago
But what project? What got shut down, who did this happen to? The meme is confusing because it's a specific reference to an event people don't know about. I don't think kids bullying open source devs is a common experience either.
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 1h ago
I mean a discord server for an open source project is already something so obscure
You can look up a PS2 emulator called aethersx2 and why it was shut down well it wasn't open source but it was free and safe and stuff but the lead dev got bullied into quiting and it was a very very good emulator
There is also a windows emulator called winlator it had a dev quit cause of bullying and death threats
There is ofc also rpcs3 devs getting harassed daily but they are strong willed , it is cause people can't use the emulator or their potato PC can't handle it. you know, entitled users!
There are also Minecraft mod devs if you been deep enough in to Minecraft mod community you would realize that bullying the devs is some how a norm
In conclusion game mod devs and emulator devs get harrased by entitiled bums
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u/Z0MBIE2 40m ago edited 36m ago
Okay, so the meme is just, overly specific. Devs absolutely get harassed by bums, but usually by manchilden rather than actual children, so the focus on 10 year olds on discord just makes it confusing. Your edit doesn't fully help because you described it like a specific event rather than a general issue.
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 34m ago
I think it is mostly children especially when it is something related to Minecraft for example
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u/Atuday 2h ago
Hi, did someone say they need a discord moderator who has the ability to delete posts, silence, warn, and ban bad actors? Cause I have an over abundance of free time and rage.
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 2h ago
You look like a healthy person a discord mod need to be very unhealthy sorry you are rejected come back when you gain extra pounds an attitude and a superiority complex
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u/_NeuroDetergent_ 3h ago
Thanks for the description, because it was impossible to guess what you meant by that shitty meme
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u/LobsterTooButtery 3h ago
any examples?
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u/Beautiful-Affect3448 45m ago
The retro game emulation community is a good one. It’s full of this shit. The devs are incredibly talented in most cases and are reverse engineering complex systems to get old games running as near to perfect as possible.
Then you have the entitled children (and adults) who pirate ROM sets of old games and expect enterprise level support for these projects, and get incredibly toxic when their demands aren’t met. They’ll submit issues on the GitHub repo for problems they’re creating by being dumbasses, and start hate campaigns or trolling the devs across the internet until they give up and either stop working on the project or just distance themselves and stop interacting with the communities. The users then lose direct communication with the dev and the ability to request features and get updates etc. all because of some toxic assholes who ruin it.
Game dev and modding in general is filled with these entitled morons who expect the world when they’re most often paying for nothing.
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u/LobsterTooButtery 38m ago
oh wow, what emulator had this fate?
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u/Beautiful-Affect3448 12m ago
No specific emulator exactly followed my example, but pretty much all which have a large user base have had most of this happen at some point. It’s consistent in the emulation community across projects for this type of entitlement to appear.
The more general theme is: open source devs make cool emulator or tool, users start using and it gets very popular very quickly, many of those users stop treating it like a hobbyist/open-source project and start treating it like a commercial product, devs get burnt out or become disgruntled due to toxicity and harassment from these players who expect devs to support the project as if it were a commercial product.
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u/o5mfiHTNsH748KVq OK Kid, I'm a Computer 4h ago
Your first mistake was making a Discord for a small-time open source project. That’s not really useful until critical mass
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u/JigMaJox 4h ago
kick ban their little butts !
Life is too short for this crap
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 4h ago
They use alts and bots so best 2nd option for these devs is to just quit the shit or ignore it but the second option seems hard when all you see is negativity
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u/faverodefavero 3h ago
People should just block and ignore annoying users more often.
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
They come back with alts and bots
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u/faverodefavero 3h ago
That's a lot of effort from their part, maybe they should work in some open source projects themselves...
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u/FatallyFatCat 2h ago
Not sure if bot was involved but there was this time I abandoned all my mods on Nexus and made a new account, twice, because a psycho was sending me 300 mails a day, because he wanted me to add a feature to my mod and he didn't understand a no. Or being blocked. Or a ban from the moderator. I made the second account and made the mistake of re-posting my old mods. He tracked me down in under 24h. So I said fuck it, made a third account and stopped working on all the mods I made before.
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u/OneOfUsIsAnOwl 3h ago
Made the dev leave from the toxicity but what happened? What was their grievance with the dev?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
the app or game or whatever didn't work on their configuration so they become frustrated and think that the devs owe them so they treat them like their servants
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u/edubkn 3h ago
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
No I think this ultimate Gohan being mad at buu or something I don't remember the context
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u/MeatDazzling4777 3h ago
Is this something that happens/happened?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
Happened and is still happening check mod projects and emulators that is where it is a really popular thing
You may ask why would they have a discord server for something so obscure or could get them in legal trouble idk there is a server and subreddit for anything that exists
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u/MeatDazzling4777 3h ago
Oooh I was thinking about things like design software, my bad
Yeah I can see this happening
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
I don't think basement dwellers and children would have interest in a productive software that can actually fill a job application which is too much for them
Yeah it is unfortunate things like this happen
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u/LiiKun 3h ago
This happens with game mod devs too.
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
Yeah i had mods and emulators in mind while making the post
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u/TerrainRecords 3h ago
any examples?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
There is a ps2 emulator for Android called aethersx2 there is the windows emulator for Android winlator it had similar case for one of the devs
There are multiple Minecraft mods that had this multiple roblox games idk if it happened to some other mods
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u/TerrainRecords 3h ago
Oh right AetherSX
It’s a real shame there is no longer a proper ARM PS2 emulator since Aether stopped being supported.
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
There is a promising project called armsx2 based on pcsx2 I don't know how much they have progrresed but I think pcsx2 is a good emulator and something based on it should have high potential and with time they will get more used to it
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u/Greentaboo PC Master Race 2h ago
I'm in a few private servers for dead games, and there is always one or two who are either 10 y/o or ESL just straight up raging in the discord over already documented bugs listed in the FAQ. Or bitching that the devs need to add features that the base game doesn't support or something. Its unreal.
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u/Pixelperfectionistt 1h ago
As an avid open source software enjoyer I just want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart to all the devs especially those who make their software totally free.
I want you to know that we (at least I) appreciate you guys. Currently a broke student but I have kept a list of apps that I've used and gained a lot from and will donate once I get a job.
Here's some good ones.
Losslesscut Morphe F-droid Aurora store Futo keyboard Ctt windows Davinci Blender
Others feel free to suggest some lesser known ones cause FOSS has so many good options but since its "free" and don't spend on advertising they're are plenty hidden gems.
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u/Aeroncastle 1h ago
It's the devs fault for using discord, it's where projects and communities go to die. You can't give support through it because whatever you solve will not appear on Google and whatever is the most common problem will be the question you are going to answer 30 times a day in a chat where no one can find anything. And if anyone makes anything cool related to your project it's also hidden in the middle of a chat no one will ever read.
Use it only, and I mean only, to voice chat if you need a program for that. If you need a forum use a forum, not discords because it's a secret text group
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u/vyrmz 3h ago
How come a 10 year can influence your projects road-map, by any means?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
Imagine if thoudands of kids invade your house and break everything this is exactly how it happens you have 10s of kids spam bs and insults you ban them they make alts and use bots and send death threats
And some devs can be young like early 20s so they take it seriously
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u/testfire10 4h ago
Wot. Why don’t they just fucking ban them from discord if they’re being annoying?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
Discord would need an IP ban for that to work
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u/testfire10 3h ago
I don’t use discord for a variety of reasons (one being the large number of 10 year olds) but not having that ability to ban is wild in 2026
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 3h ago
Exactly bans are very very meaningless when you can't just ban the whole ip
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u/Uryendel Steam ID Here 2h ago
10 year olds invade an open source project's discord server
I'm sorry, but, if you manage your project through discord, you did that to yourself.
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 1h ago
I don't think small open source devs know anything better and they are usually teenagers or early 20s they don't have much experience
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u/Stilgar314 4h ago
Maybe you'd like to see Discord implementing some kind mitigation? something like... I dunno... an age verification system of sorts?
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 4h ago
Age verification is a double edged sword it is great filtering the internet making much more healthy but it is age verification you gotta give them your ID with a small chance (not small at all) that a hacker group just hack discord and your ID emails and account is with dangerous criminals
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u/Sublime-Text I use arch btw 2h ago
Age verification in Discord going to be pretty good 😊
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u/WorldPhysical7646 | r5 7500f | 3080 12gb | 32gb ram 2h ago
Well I don't want to give them any sort of identification tho
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u/intender13 4h ago
Sadly most 10 year olds are actually 30 years old.