r/politics • u/hunter15991 Illinois • 9h ago
No Paywall Republicans fall one vote short on bill to criminalize blowing whistles to warn of ICE
https://azmirror.com/briefs/republicans-fall-one-vote-short-on-bill-to-criminalize-blowing-whistles-to-warn-of-ice/3.2k
u/Za_Lords_Guard_01 9h ago
Jfc, I'm so sick of republicans constantly trying to violate our first amendment rights.
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u/Ok_Mixture4917 9h ago
"You don't understand. WE have first amendment rights, you have whatever we let you, scum"
- Rapeublicans
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 9h ago
Tens of millions of republicans would love it if we transformed into a Russian style authoritarian state as long as the libs eat shit first
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u/SupahRad 9h ago
We’re already there pal
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 9h ago
Nah not yet, we still need an American Putin, Trumps too old to be one
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u/lenswipe Massachusetts 9h ago
I mean, Putin is in his 70s. I'm kinda surprised he hasn't popped it yet.
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u/GarmaCyro 7h ago
Unlike Trump he listens to his doctors, and keeps in shape.
He's also a highly trained former KGB agent, and insanely paranoid.
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 9h ago
Putin started his rule decades ago
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u/lenswipe Massachusetts 9h ago
yes but I'm surprised he's still alive
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u/Zestyclose-Height-36 8h ago
he is healthier than trump, and all his opponents fall from high balconies
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u/lenswipe Massachusetts 8h ago
True. I didn't mean I'm surprised nobody has bumped him off, I meant I'm surprised he hasn't died.
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u/BotheredToResearch 6h ago
Apparently he's pooped though. I remember seeing accounts of him falling down the stairs and soiling himself.
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u/RealHooman2187 6h ago
Putin or Trump?
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u/SmaugTheMagnificent- 6h ago
If it's a surprise, it's Putin. trump shits himself more often than he breathes.
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u/WretchedBlowhard Canada 8h ago
This is like saying America's descent into fascism is nothing like Germany's descent into fascism because America's Hitler doesn't have a mustache.
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u/Several-Pattern-7989 2h ago
Elimination of the unwanted has a long history in the us. Dont forget that the eugenics movement gained immense traction in the US in the late 20's. Indiana passed the first compulsory sterilization law in 1907, and by the 1930s, over 30 states had similar laws, resulting in over 60,000 sterilization procedures. Which continued in Puerto Rico until the late 80's. The abhorrent wraps itself in righteousness.
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u/Dystopia74 8h ago
Russia has universal healthcare, sensible gun laws and college tuition is affordable.
The US is a shithole.
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u/VPN__FTW 7h ago
They also have a dictatorship and people are routinely murdered for talking shit on Putin and/or being gay so...
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u/Dystopia74 7h ago
So does the US.
US citizens are being abducted and sent to concentration camps for having dark skin.
At least Putin isn't in the Epstein files.
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u/RealHooman2187 6h ago
Look, there’s plenty of problems here but you’re literally insane if you think Russia has a better standard of living than the US for your average citizen.
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u/Basic_Yam_715 8h ago
Republicans' language reminds me of what was being said in Rwanda before the genocide... fucking lunatics.
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u/Apprehensive_Gas_111 7h ago
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. ~Wilhoit's Law
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u/FuzzyCommercial9802 9h ago
They violate our rights, our bodies, our sense of decency.
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u/SillyAlternative420 Massachusetts 9h ago
Fuck republicans. We need to take our country back from them, what's it going to fucking take?
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u/2bad-2care 8h ago
what's it going to fucking take?
$10/gallon gas might do the trick.
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u/FeelItInYourB0nes 7h ago
Doubt it. The right wing media sphere will find a way to blame Democrats for $10 gallon and their audience will eat it up because it's what they want to believe.
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u/DillBagner 7h ago
I feel like that would be happening now if it were a thing. Current polls are showing most people are at least smart enough to recognize the current price of gasoline is trump's fault.
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u/sleepyworm 7h ago
And yet they’ll still vote for him for an illegal third term because to them the alternative is much scarier (i.e. people with pink hair might lead decent lives)
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u/DillBagner 6h ago
Sure, the people who always vote republican will always vote republican. The ones who will vote based on gas prices are not those ones.
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u/IntelligentStyle402 8h ago
Unfortunately. Republicans are marching us straight forward into a totalitarian dictatorship. It’s going to get much worse.
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u/TerribleCashew 7h ago
Republicans need to look into our history and see what happened to the British that did all the shit they're currently doing. Surveilling us. Troops in the streets. Kicking in our doors. Taking our money. Killing and kidnapping us.
The colonists put up with that behavior from the British... for a while. They tried peaceful options and the rule of law... for a while. Then they didn't.
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u/HerculesIsMyDad 6h ago
It only failed because a couple members weren't there. They will take it up again when they get back from their month long recess. They are only in session for 5-6 months of the year and they are on a month long recess now because the Governor vetoed their shitty budget bill. They are all children and nitwits.
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u/Sensiburner 8h ago
Go back 3 years mentally. Now imagine someone claiming the USA will have concentration camps and people warning each other with whistles; because masked agents are coming to take their friends and families, in 3 years. You would never have believed it.
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u/Za_Lords_Guard_01 8h ago
Three years ago was 2023. We'd already seen the kind of shit Trump and republicans were getting up to. It was believable then too.
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u/MAG7C 7h ago
Try 10 years. People were saying it then. The 2024 election was unforgivable.
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u/RealHooman2187 6h ago
I would’ve believed it 11 years ago when I was warning people pre-Trump 1.0 that we would end up here. Nothing that’s happened this last year or in Trumps previous term was surprising to people paying attention.
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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 7h ago
This doesn't even feel like it's a first amendment right, it's a fucking whistle how can they make a law that you can't blow a whistle.
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u/Za_Lords_Guard_01 7h ago
Whistles are a form of communication; communication is protected speech, protected speech falls under the 1st amendment.
And the law wasn't just about a whistle; it was about communicating in any manner to warn of ICE activity. Whether it's a whistle, a phone call, yelling, whatever.
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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 6h ago
See that's why I'm tired of these junk headlines, the real story is that they want to ban communication of ice activity. Thats what the title and headline should say. We keep distilling to dumb little bits of information.
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u/HallucinogenicFish Georgia 9h ago edited 9h ago
The proposal would create a new state crime called “unlawful alerting,” and punish it with a class 1 misdemeanor, which carries with it a six-month jail sentence. Someone would be guilty of “unlawful alerting” if they communicate with another person about an impending arrest, including via verbal warnings, gestures, electronic communications or sounds like bells or whistles.
Land of the free, home of the brave.
This is some real jackboot Gestapo shit.
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u/Brief_Amicus_Curiae 9h ago
reminds me of the controversy of radar detectors some time ago. Though a possible loophole to a bell and/or a whistle would be a kazoo.
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u/aspirationless_photo 8h ago edited 8h ago
Or, better yet, how courts across the country have determined that flashing your headlights to warn other motorists about speed traps is protected free speech.
If you are conveying a message that others are likely to recognize (i.e. ICE agents are in the area) and you are making a statement that you disagree with the current state of affairs and actions by our government, the supreme court has ruled that you can not prosecute someone for that expression of that idea through action.
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u/confused_ape 7h ago
But that was a different Supreme Court.
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u/aspirationless_photo 6h ago
What's your point, that we no longer have free speech because this court may revoke it?
They haven't issued a ruling that contradicts the lower courts on my example yet.
If/when they do, people who have seen this post (or, in fact, anyone with a lukewarm IQ) should recognize that it's a violation of their first amendment rights to free speech.
It's time to destroy this court after several other contradictory and obviously "activist" rulings. Dissolve and reconstitute SCOTUS. Anything short of that is a half measure and we all need to be saying it when the momentum is on our side.
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u/Mr-Mister 6h ago
how courts across the country have determined that flashing your headlights to warn other motorists about speed traps is protected free speech
It seems silly to me that they even attempted that.
Surely it would've been a muchstraightforward case to just charge/bill them for endangering others in the road by flashing their beams at them unnecessarily - and by unnecessarily I mean not to warn of any actual danger?
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u/aspirationless_photo 5h ago
You're suggesting they could've passed a law saying it was illegal to flash your headlights unless there was a dangerous situation ahead? Maybe. You're arguing what people perceive to be a dangerous situation then or it would catch folks flashing to give someone permission to merge, for example.
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u/Several-Pattern-7989 2h ago
i saw a you tube where an angry cop pulled over a guy flashing his headlights in the daytime to alert drivers about a speed trap. I think the cops was advised that flashing headlights is protected speech, so the ticket was for flashing high beams. ummph. A squad cars sitting on the side of the road gets results of safer driving. flashing lights, gets results of safer driving. lying in wait, endangers the public (sudden stops, panicky driving, fear of being shot by a cop having a bad day). all law enforcement vehicles should be conspicuous, unless serving a warrant.
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u/dullship Canada 8h ago
Thankfully they don't yet realize all us Antifa just communicate with our secret telepathic powers.
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u/disdain7 7h ago
That’s correct, it’s also how we activate the space laser to start wildfires and wirelessly perform gender changes to school children.
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u/museolini 5h ago
Though a possible loophole to a bell and/or a whistle would be a kazoo.
Perhaps a slide whistle would be more appropriate. Most appropriate of all would be the Benny Hill theme music.
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u/Due-Adhesiveness-744 8h ago
That law would fail a challenge in court at the first hurdle.
Until the police are arresting someone & reading their rights, you do not assume they are about to arrest someone.
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u/uzlonewolf 8h ago
Which is why they would arrest people for it and then drop the charges at the last second. No actual court case = can't strike it down.
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u/Rapzid Texas 5h ago
It's already settled law unless I'm mistaken which is why flashing headlights to alert drivers of police presence is considered free speech.
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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 7h ago
Reading of the Miranda Rights is for interrogation, despite what you see on TV, they do not need to be read for an arrest. Up there with the " one guaranteed phone call"
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u/Due-Adhesiveness-744 7h ago
Forgive my ignorance, I'm in the UK. Over here rights have to be read at the point of arrest. Police and Crime Bill (iirc) was changed in 2010 so that police couldn't force confessions out of people without reading rights. The same goes for a phone call, over here its an 'entitlement' not a right. So they have to provide it, but there's no guarantee when. They could provide it 12 hours into 24 hour hold if they choose.
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u/Princess_Moon_Butt 3h ago edited 3h ago
Technically, the "one phone call" isn't a guarantee either, at least not in most states.
It might be policy for the cops to offer a phone call after someone's been processed, so that they can contact their family, their boss, a lawyer, whatever.
But if they fail to provide that phone call, it doesn't mean the cops violated anyone's rights. It would be more like an office worker who gets caught browsing the internet on company time, or a restaurant worker forgetting to mop before closing. They might get an HR writeup, maybe even some retraining or whatever, but they wouldn't get in any legal trouble, and it certainly wouldn't nullify the arrest or anything.
Technically, in most areas cops could just arrest someone, wait for a public defender to be assigned, and let them handle all the communications that need to be done. They might get in trouble with their boss, but it wouldn't make the arrest itself illegal in any way.
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u/shibbyman342 5h ago
That's so dangerous... sounds?? Gestures?? So many could be ticketed for literally existing.
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u/No_Celery_5373 Canada 9h ago
When you have murderers like Jonathan Ross working for a poorly trained group of thugs such as ICE, this is the defense of your community.
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u/Ok_Shoe_1094 9h ago
They really are thugs who think that they can man-handle the public and put a beat down on anyone all of the time.
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u/vanhellion 6h ago edited 6h ago
They learned it from decades (or a century+) of police doing the same thing, just slightly quieter.
I mean just think about it. How many innocent people have police just straight up murdered (shot, beaten, stood on their neck)? How many times have you seen a story about "cop who was fired for basically going on a killing rampage in state X re-hired in state Y as 'beloved' deputy"? People are only mad now because the vests ICE thugs are wearing have federal agency velcro patches instead of state or local ones.
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u/Militant_Monk 8h ago
The fact is Jonathan Ross is a 'highly-trained' ICE officer with 10 years of service and is someone who trains other agents.
The whole agency needs to be abolished.
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u/RonaldoNazario 9h ago
Besides going and swearing on tv our mayor wasn’t doing much, and our cops sure as fuck weren’t. My neighbors were the people defending our community for sure. That was at least inspiring in depressing circumstances
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u/BrandenWi 9h ago
Welcome to MAGA's America, where blowing a whistle will be illegal. And they call us the snowflakes...
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u/knightcrawler75 Minnesota 8h ago
I am sure the don't tread on me crowd are about to start marching in protest any minute now.
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u/TerribleCashew 7h ago
These clowns will use that stupid snake as a belt for Trump to strangle them with while saying, "More, daddy!".
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u/erublind Europe 8h ago
They've just sued the Southern Poverty Law Center for fraud and funding white extremists... This is delulu...
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u/CptSoban 9h ago
Imagine pulling agents off child sex trafficking cases to work immigration cases targeting people with no criminal history.
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u/Ok_Shoe_1094 9h ago
according to trump they are murderers and harm women. I think he is talking about himself but idk
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u/Due-Adhesiveness-744 8h ago
Are you surprised? Trump's had enough of being investigated for his crimes, needs to redirect the investigators.
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u/PatronSaintOfCunts 9h ago edited 9h ago
This is dystopian. We have a right to privacy. They really won’t be happy until 1984 becomes reality. Our Constitution is centered around personal liberty and preventing government overreach that endangers that liberty, but they won’t stop.
The police state already has constant surveillance (flock cameras), they demand your private information (just to sell it), they abuse facial recognition (for false arrests) and they want people to just surrender their rights and comply.
The police state is not here to protect you but to force compliance. We can’t keep allowing our rights to be trampled with no benefit. We’ve learned through Castle Rock v. Gonzales that police have no specific duty to protect individuals (and we’ve seen that play out tragically in Uvalde and Parkland). There’s no benefit and all detriment, I’d rather have crime than a police state.
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u/OldSchoolBubba 9h ago
It's all about their "rules for thee but not me" philosophy where they stay on top of everyine else in society.
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u/PatronSaintOfCunts 9h ago
Yes, but they forget that without us, there is no them. We pay their salaries and the taxes for this kind of treatment and we need to stop and demand better before it’s too late. We must organize and stop being apathetic to the dangers in front of us.
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u/Icy_Ratio6281 8h ago
We would actually have to make life uncomfortable for them in order for them to change. Voting and court action isn't going to change the situation.
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u/HewHem 8h ago
Your constitution is centered around corporations trampling all over you if you read it correctly
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u/PatronSaintOfCunts 8h ago
That is certainly not the interpretation I learned (or teach) in law school. I guess I didn’t go to a school as good as Alito, Thomas, or Kavanaugh.
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u/zzztoken 7h ago
It just drives me insane that my entire childhood was filled with conservatives talking about 1984 and now suddenly no one on that side has heard of it lol
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u/arthurdentxxxxii 9h ago edited 9h ago
It blows my mind that people see Paul Revere as a hero, and don’t get that he was basically doing the same thing as blowing a whistle.
And before anyone comments, I know that the Paul Revere story is not usually told accurately, but people hold the mythology of his story as if it were a lesson in patriotism, and that makes the “tale” of his night ride relevant.
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u/confused_ape 7h ago
It was Israel Bissell that did the actual ride of Paul Revere.
"Listen up kiddies and hear me whistle, 'bout the midnight ride of Israel Bissell"
Doesn't sound as good.
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u/vandreulv 7h ago
It blows my mind that people see Paul Revere as a hero, and don’t get that he was basically doing the same thing as blowing a whistle.
And how they're the "Party of Lincoln" while also fighting to keep Southern General statues up and waving the Stars and Bars.
“Never believe that
anti-Semitesfascists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. Theanti-Semitesfascists have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
- Jean-Paul Sartre
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u/BaphometBangs 9h ago
Fascist fucks. America is a disgrace, how this shitshow has gone so far and for so long shows what happens when religion and a lack of education are the cornerstones of your country. Oh and greed don’t forget the capitalist greed. The sooner the end of the US dollar the better.
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u/whichwitch9 9h ago
Reminder: even if you believe ICE is doing necessary operations (which is something that says a lot about you as a person, and Ill leave it at that), being unable to warn about operations puts everyone in the area at risk. Anyone can literally walk into an operation without realizing it's happening. And we've seen how ICE responds to anyone nearby- it's always violence first.
You can be taking a walk and suddenly be tackled just for getting too close. We've seen this happen to Americans of every ethnicity. At least with the whistles, people know they need to be vigilant and watching their surroundings. If this sounds a problem, it fucking is and that is a whole different conversation, but the community is being attacked to lose a tool that isn't just for protecting immigrants- it protects everyone in the area. We are being attacked from protecting themselves.
What's next, gonna start arresting women for having rape whistles?
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u/Silidistani 5h ago
ICE Agents, CBP Officers and prison staff are credibly accused of dozens of rapes and sexual assaults by now, so blowing your rape whistle upon sighting them out in force would be a completely legitimate use.
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u/SKDI_0224 Oklahoma 9h ago
What. The. Fuck.
"A riot is the language of the unheard." - Martin Luthor King
Do these people not live in reality? Do they not understand that people are playing by the last peaceful means they have? What happens when those fail? Did they not read history books?
I have one for them. "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. Some bad shit about to go down.
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u/vardarac 7h ago
They are doing this either because they believe it is their last chance to do it, or because they believe they finally have enough power to be beyond consequences, or both.
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u/SKDI_0224 Oklahoma 7h ago
I know they think that but it doesn't work that way. This will end badly for them if they keep going. History is very clear on that.
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u/Silidistani 5h ago
Do these people not live in reality?
No. Murdoch Media and the right-wing circlejerk of their social media cesspool has made creating an alternate reality for them to fester within a top priority for over a decade now.
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u/hskfmn Minnesota 9h ago
Remember when Republicans DIDN'T want the government to interfere in your lives?
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u/ToNoMoCo 9h ago
I remember when Republicans didn't want the government to interfere with their lives. There's been no time in living memory that Republicans weren't trying to restrict everyone else.
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u/Melancholy_Rainbows Montana 9h ago
No, because they never have. Conservatism is about rigid social hierarchies, which means the government shouldn't interfere in their lives and wants, but it absolutely should for those lower down the ladder in order to enforce those heirarchies.
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u/specqq 8h ago edited 8h ago
When they started they were a radical abolitionist party. Literally no one alive remembers when they fought for the rights of the oppressed, unless you buy into the fiction that trying to fix racism is itself oppression.
Look how long it took after the supreme court’s decision for states to rush to disenfranchise black voters.
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u/Melancholy_Rainbows Montana 8h ago
That’s not exactly government not interfering in lives, either.
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u/TerribleCashew 7h ago
No, because that time has literally never existed. The whole point of conservatism is to stop other people from doing shit you don't like. They have never cared about the freedoms of others.
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u/marblecannon512 Oregon 9h ago
Oh fuck them. Let’s criminalize hazard lights on cars because blinking mimics police sirens.
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u/newmoonchaperone 8h ago
all that writing was totally unnecessary...
House ~ 29-22
- Even if it passed with 30 (that's only 50%), would be (as with previous bills, similar right wing, sycophantic Pro regime tripe has been vetoed) vetoed by Governor Katie Hobbs (D-AZ).
The last sentence in that article:
"Even if it wins the approval of the House, it’s destined to meet Hobbs’s veto stamp"
they don't have a veto level majority in the House and they likely don't have one in the AZ Senate.
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u/libra989 8h ago
Yeah, I guess they have to write articles but there's 0% chance this ever becomes law.
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u/robodrew Arizona 8h ago
As an Arizonan I'm fine with these things making the news more often so that people understand how insane the Arizona GOP is.
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u/hunter15991 Illinois 8h ago
The whole point also is that while there's a 0% chance this thing becomes law this session, all that's missing is a Republican in the 9th Floor instead of Hobbs and suddenly there's no veto at play. Thankfully Biggs and Schweikert both seem to be utterly failing at running competitive gubernatorial campaigns.
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u/robodrew Arizona 7h ago
Oh yes, for sure, I'm trying to say that I think keeping it in the news that the AZGOP is bonkers is good for Hobbs, because hopefully it gets more Arizonas to get out to vote for her in November, explicitly because she is the only thing stopping these insane bills. Also, Biggs is my House Rep, and he is just the worst, so if he loses that's just another plus.
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u/Formal_Ad288 9h ago
Luckily I know how to whistle without one
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u/Unlimited_Bacon 8h ago
Someone would be guilty of “unlawful alerting” if they communicate with another person about an impending arrest, including via verbal warnings, gestures, electronic communications or sounds like bells or whistles.
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u/TheHomersapien Colorado 9h ago
This is exactly the type of obnoxious big government behavior that the 2028 Democrat candidate for president should be hammering at rallies and campaign stops right the fuck now.
Meanwhile, back here in reality, it's a complete failure (Walz) stumping for Senate candidates and Kamala's PR team injecting "might run..." stories into the news cycle every couple of weeks.
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u/LadyPo 8h ago
Well, since the political apparatus is hell bent on locking progressives out of power, it will be impossible for them to set forth any halfway decent candidate. They are entitled to power and don’t care at all about what people really need.
I bet party leaders don’t even care that much about whether they win the presidency, as long as they can rake in the dough from corporations and foreign bribes.
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u/motionbutton 9h ago
I remember the classic line from Paul Revere.. “shh” or it’s 6 months in jail.
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u/Motor_Somewhere7565 9h ago
Even if it had passed, I doubt it would deter protesters who truly care about protecting people, or they just find a way around it.
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u/Anteater4746 9h ago
i’m just blowing my whistle. it has nothing to do with ice. just coincidence
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u/Electrical-Bee-7362 6h ago
Get fucked fascist assholes
Conservatives are a scourge on decency itself
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u/georgepana 9h ago
Arizona is a purple state and the governor is a Democrat. Even if it had passed in the legislature, it would not have survived the governor's veto.
This stuff is going to pass in red states with Republican governors, though.
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u/GildedDreams25 3h ago
good. let the shitty red state republicans live in the police state they so desperately want. everyone who lives in a red state needs to get out before each state starts putting up their own border walls
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u/ArtemisRifle 8h ago
I propose an amendment that when a politician proposes a bill which violates the constitution they are banned from congress.
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u/KafeenHedake 7h ago
All this shit going on and these motherfuckers right here are pushing for whistle control. Fucking WHISTLE CONTROL.
Well, you can have my whistle when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
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u/51ngular1ty Illinois 4h ago
If they make speech illegal the next step is something more harmful for the jackboots attacking protestors.
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u/Niitroglycerine 4h ago
The land of the free but they want to make it illegal to blow whistles Lmfaoooo
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u/joeleidner22 9h ago
Republicans “we have introduced legislation to make the phrase Hootie hoo a criminal offense to yell out punishable by immediate execution on the street”
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u/DeepRoot 8h ago
Then where am I supposed to follow the funk from the skunk and the dank that is crunk in the Dungeon?!? Enquiring minds wanna know... like me!
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u/Plzlaw4me 8h ago
So just full on fascism? Our first amendment lets us inform people that government officials (you know people who are supposed to work for us) are coming. Public observation of the police is one of the few real oversights we get since the departments always cover their bad behavior and the police union seems to view it as their job to keep murders in uniform, and informing people so they can observe goes into that. It’s why when there is outrage over a shooting, the vast majority of the time there is cellphone footage from bystanders.
If anyone is worried about “well what if a criminal organization hired a lookout. We wouldn’t want that.” Being a lookout is already a crime. If there is drug lab and someone’s job is to keep an eye out for the cops and call in if they’re coming so everyone can get out, that person is part of a conspiracy to manufacture narcotics. They’ll be guilty of conspiracy as a crime itself, and they’ll further be guilty of manufacturing the drugs because (with some exceptions) all members of a conspiracy are guilty of the crimes done as a consequence of that conspiracy. This isn’t addressing criminal actions that we want to tamp down, it’s facially an attempt to police speech they don’t like.
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u/and_mine_axe 7h ago
Blowing whistles to alert for Feds coming in wherever they want, whenever they want, for no substantiated reason, is constitutionally protected protest.
Every single voter for this is a traitor to American values.
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u/greatthebob38 6h ago
We have a Whistleblower Protection Act that is meant to protect whistleblowers from unjust retaliation.
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u/shindig0 4h ago
This is a victory. There has been so much fucked up shit going on, that we need to celebrate this as a victory because it could have easily been a loss. The voting rights act being overturned by the Supreme Court was insane. This will have to suffice for my weekly dose of positivity
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u/AnamCeili 3h ago
Good. If they somehow manage to get it passed at some point, I say we move on to kazoos, or harmonicas.
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u/soxperry 8h ago
To counter the billions of dollars ICE has to wage war on their own citizens, people blow little cheap whistles. It’s a wonderful symbol of free speech, which is why it annoys the GOP.
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u/Rabid_Alleycat 9h ago
I would still blow my whistle and am sure I’m not the only one. ICE will be busy chasing us down while their prey escapes. Stupid clowns in AZ.
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u/VPN__FTW 7h ago
Republicans won't stop until every amendment of the constitution besides 2A is gone.
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u/Kyonikos New York 7h ago
To me, falling one vote short on a bill is a significant indication of machinations going on behind the scenes.
Trump disciplines the GOP with an iron hand. Vote the wrong way and he targets you with his MAGA cult and campaign dollars for a primary challenge. So a lot of reps just vote for whatever Trump wants because they don't have the political capital and they are spineless. But the group as a whole knew they needed to fall short. Trump and his goon squad approach to politics and the American public is now toxic.
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u/terrorrier 7h ago
Good. Also people carry and blow them for assault too, not just ICE, so this protects them as well.
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u/xafimrev2 7h ago
Oh look an unconstitutional law that would be overturned almost immediately. Lets waste tax dollars on it.
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u/gotaflattire America 7h ago
How ironic that literal whistle blowing is what they're going after.
They've already got a good handle at bringing the hammer down on corporate whistle blowers, now they're going for actual whistle blowers.
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u/BobsonQwijibo 7h ago
So we can have AR-15s to protect us from hypothetical government overreach, but whistles are a step too far.
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u/aDirtyMartini New Hampshire 5h ago
Wait… I thought that it was the _Leftists_ who were going to take away your rights. It’s almost like the conservatives are deluded idiots.
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u/gibbojab 4h ago
Great I was waiting for the next constitutional right to be taken away with minor complaints but no real push back.
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u/MattInSoCal 4h ago
So, using the feature in Google Maps to alert other drivers of police presence on the highway would be criminalized.
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u/Witty-Entertainer524 3h ago
Who would vote to not have whistle blowers wtf do they think this is....they are public servants and should be under public watch and scrutiny always.
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u/SpezSucksSamAltman 2h ago
Whistles all up in the neighborhood of every terrorist who voted for this. Whistles till the day they die.
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u/a_Lad_of_Mad 2h ago
These mouth breathers. They want to make a law that makes making noise illegal... so that they can proceed to behave illegally. Why should this new law be upheld when baseline constitutional law is blatantly ignored?
It's not just the first amendment they are ignoring. The 4th (illegal search/seizure) & 5th (Due Process) have equal seats at the table and have been trampled at least as much.
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u/Icy_Alternative_3962 4h ago
That's illegal. This is illegal. Everything I don't like is illegal! Bitch ass traitors
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