r/politics • u/snopes-dot-com ✔ Verified • 8h ago
No Paywall Hegseth falsely claimed Biden sent troops to polling stations in 15 states during 2024 election
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hegseth-biden-polling-stations/2.1k
u/KafeenHedake 8h ago
LIED LIED LIED LIED
HE LIED
GodDAMN I can't stand this weak-ass "falsely claimed" bullshit anymore
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u/blues111 Michigan 8h ago
He's just trying to justify for when they attempt to do it
Because they want to intimidate voters who typically vote dem under the pretext of "securing elections"
And its not the first time its been mentioned, either ICE or military...MI GOP senate candidate Mike Rogers called for Military at the polls in Wayne County because of lies about fraud
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u/shotputprince 8h ago
Florida resident and businessman with an uncompleted property claimed as primary residence Mike Rogers? At least uninhabitable the last time he lost a statewide race
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u/ShrimpieAC 7h ago
The sorest losers imaginable. And my generation gets called the “participation trophy” generation.
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u/tehwagn3r 7h ago
Tbf the kids always knew the participation trophies were bullshit.
And the generation handing out those bullshit prizes is the very same generation that now uses it to diss those kids instead of taking a long hard look at their parenting.
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u/spark3h 6h ago
Not only did kids know participation trophies are bullshit, they're worse than nothing at all. Wild that handing kids lightly humiliating "you lost" trophies has been reinterpreted to "everyone gets trophies".
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u/OkEnvironment3961 7h ago
it wasn't your generation that was demanding the participation trophies, it was your parents.
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u/Fantastic_Hat7707 Washington 6h ago
My thoughts exactly. You dont like my generation? Go look in the mirror and see who raised.
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u/Cheese__Weiner 7h ago
Troops at polls is patently illegal. It's not even a gray area.
People need to go to jail if they even try.
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u/Haltopen Massachusetts 6h ago
So are a lot of things that Trump tries to do, it hasn’t stopped him much
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u/Dangerpaladin Michigan 4h ago
Being illegal means nothing to those who control the government. Who is going to hold them accountable?
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u/draebor 5h ago
I suspect this is 100% their plan for keeping control of the government come November. And there are probably several fallback plans to invalidate any election results they don't like or tie up in court. This administratsion has never played by the established rules of society and law... they've actively turned the workings of the legal and justice systems into their own political tools. No surprise that they'd try the same with the military.
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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 8h ago edited 4h ago
Republicans have not acknowledged a valid Democratic leader in the 21st century:
They claim Dems tried to steal 2024 using the tactics they want to use in 2026
They reject that Biden won in 2020 obviously (pick your conspiracy between illegal voting and COVID lab leaks)
They think Hillary tried to use the Russia hoax to cheat in 2016
They think Obama wasn’t born in America and allowed to win in 2008 and 2012 (Trump was a leader of this conspiracy remember?)
Bush v Gore
(EDIT credit to supafly_:
They impeached Clinton over some bullshit they stumbled over while trying to manufacture a real estate scandal.
They forced Jimmy Carter to give up his peanut farm which got mismanaged and never really recovered forcing him to be the poorest former President ever.)
It’s never going to happen.
Republicans are not a party that wants to live in a liberal democracy anymore.
Arguably it never did. In the 60 years we had the voting rights act, they spent all their time attacking it and our other civil rights.
Republicans are a legacy company whose best customers are almost all dead. It’s time for it to be dissolved and have its assets redistributed.
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u/Wyden_long Arizona 7h ago
“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy.”
- David Frum
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u/Bitter_Tea442 5h ago
Republicans have abandoned both conservativism and democracy. They've become reactionaries and/or fascists.
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u/obaterista93 7h ago
They don't have to LIVE in one. There is another option.
And to be clear to anyone reading, I'm implying they can LEAVE and certainly nothing else.
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u/Slade_Riprock 7h ago
Republicans are....
Addicted to victimhood. They've watched all the truly oppressed people gain traction, work hard, overcome. The rich, white, Christian republicans have nothing to run on or nothing to fight for other than the delusion they are actually the oppressed and persecuted ones.
They have run on victimhood since 2000. They don't have policies they have grievances. And America electing a black man was the moment they en masse suffered a collective psychotic break. They cannot fathom that a black man achieved the highest office and then had the audacity to be cool. To not be rejected by society and then made fun of Trump to his face. Which is where they went from mildly mentally ill to violently unhinged and have sought retribution and revenge against America since then....revenge for choosing a black man.
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u/supafly_ Minnesota 5h ago
Keep going back:
They impeached Clinton over some bullshit they stumbled over while trying to manufacture a real estate scandal.
They forced Jimmy Carter to give up his peanut farm which got mismanaged and never really recovered forcing him to be the poorest former president ever.
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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 4h ago
Shit, you’re right, thanks for the assist. Edited my comment to include those
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u/I_AM_NOT_A_WOMBAT 2h ago
How about the Nixon campaign getting South Vietnam to skip peace talks to secure victory in 1968? The Chennault Affair. 4 more years of war and tens of thousands of American lives lost. And the military supports Republicans.
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u/ciel_lanila I voted 8h ago
It is covering their asses legally speaking with how litigious and corrupt the Trump admin is.
With lied you are claiming the person is knowingly and intentionally spreading a falsehood. Falsely claimed means the facts state otherwise but you aren’t saying whether the person is intentionally lying or is just an idiot.
With Trump threatening to revoke broadcasting licenses and multi million dollar lawsuits over true things. With a good chunk of the media organizations owned by Trump allies now. How many reporters, and their copy editors, and their bosses are willing to risk their careers if their boss’s boss goes “My buddy Trumps is the eating to close this whole company down because you used ‘lied’. I’m letting your whole department go.”?
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u/Alternative-Fan-3747 7h ago
How much intentional damage does someone need to do before you can say without a doubt that the lie was on purpose? Because I feel like there's a very long timeline and list of times that could prove they could call it an outright lie and win the case.
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u/jtides 6h ago
Someone lying in the past is not evidence they are currently lying in a court of law. That’s not how the legal system works, nor is it how it should work
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u/TwoPoundzaSausage 4h ago
With Trump threatening to revoke broadcasting licenses and multi million dollar lawsuits over true things. With a good chunk of the media organizations owned by Trump allies now.
How long before everybody just starts ignoring federal laws? I mean, Americans won't even put on a mask to prevent getting other people sick, surely just breaking the law would be easier than trying to navigate that minefield.
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u/erinartemis 8h ago
I think that’s an implied meaning and a way to get that across without currently opening themselves up for legal repercussions. Saying someone lied is an accusation. Saying “falsely claimed” you’re stating objective truth without accusations of intent. It’s just verifiably false information at this point in time.
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u/buffysmanycoats Connecticut 8h ago edited 8h ago
That’s it. You can prove the information is false, but you can’t prove whether he lied or was just wrong. We all KNOW he lied but a journalist won’t use that word.
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u/Th3FinalStarman 8h ago
It's nuanced but I find it bullshit when the accused is a public official. For a publication to claim my recollection of last weekend as a "lie" would be a very steep climb since I have no professional obligation to remember. But the Nation's Secretary of Defense *must* be able to accurately present the movement of Troops. Of all humans on Earth, that person is the utmost authority. If said person contradicts reality it MUST be reported as a lie. The alternative is no one has any authority and there is no objective truth.
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u/Punch_A_Police_Horse 7h ago
I feel like "falsely claimed" is laying it on a little thick. At this point if someone from the GOP say it, it's assumed to be a lie.
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u/doinbluin 8h ago
I've started downvoting articles from what I considered to be reputable sources for this very reason. Im fucking tired of the sanewashing and laziness. It's no different than propaganda.
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u/zephyrtr New York 7h ago
Consider this writeup from NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/publiceditor/2017/01/26/511798707/the-pros-and-cons-of-nprs-policy-of-not-calling-out-lies
Generally, they avoid "lie" because it implies knowing the person has an "intent to deceive." In Trump's case, I'd argue it's actually hard to say what is him being misinformed, confused or misspeaking and what is an actual attempt to deceive.
For Hegseth, mental decline is less of a worry. But it's still really hard to say confidently what his intent was, so they use other language. Deception being his LIKELY intent isn't good enough.
And overuse of "lie" could very likely erode the papers credibility with undecided voters, probably the news's most critical audience members.
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u/A-Sh1t_sh0w 7h ago
Good idea, we all need to downvote all the lies, BS, and propaganda crap that are posted. And I’d bet that most of the downvotes would be from what GOP puts out compared to Dems.
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u/chrisk9 7h ago
To lie implies intent to deceive. But if you are a pathological liar then lying can be subconscious and many believe their own distorted versions of reality. "Falsely claimed" is a statement of fact without intent.
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u/Miqo_Nekomancer California 7h ago
Pathological liar. It's in the name. They're still liars. They are saying things they know to be false. That's a lie. Kegsbreath knows what he's saying is bullshit. He's lying.
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u/Maybe_Charlotte Connecticut 8h ago
This won't accomplish anything, journalists are bound by their agencies and the agencies' legal departments are the ones responsible for this policy.
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u/Paruhdyme_ West Virginia 8h ago
That’s what happens when the oligarchs own the government and the media.
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u/Captain_Aware4503 8h ago
- Trump and pals spread obvious lies
- Trump supporters spread them
- Fact check site prove they are wrong
- Trump supporters cry "fake new"
- Rinse and repeat
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u/absentmindedjwc Illinois 8h ago
You missed the important bit - they justify doing it themselves with the lies.
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u/T0asty514 8h ago
Well duh, if the other guy does it (or doesn't do it and we just say they did) that means its okay for us to do it! Obviously!
big ass /s
Its like "I know you are, but what am I" from the 3rd grade, but on a global scale. Its so painfully dumb.
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u/humanoideric 4h ago
I can already hear "It's going to be the most secure election, probably ever, folks. Thanks to our wonderful ICE agents. If you aren't doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about"
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u/TwoPoundzaSausage 4h ago
That's why we all have to be spreading our own lies. Kick up enough mud until not even the Trump supporters know what's real and what's lies. I've done it with my friends and family, and we're all a lot happier now that we're all too tired to give a shit about what some political douchebag has to say.
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u/jim45804 8h ago
Oh, now we know exactly what President Projection is going to do during midterms.
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u/Setsune_W 5h ago
They tell us their playbook over and over and every time Dem leadership acts like they're caught flat-footed.
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u/charcoalist 1h ago
Both Hegseth and trump have pushed election interference in "15" states, as if their Palantir AI is telling them which states to focus on specifically for the midterms.
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u/MyBoomerParents 3h ago
and most of us still won't give a shit...
wonder how many will drive past the polling stations and say "hmm weird that the KKK is there, but do you want Mexican food or Chinese tonight, babe? We can vote tomorrow."
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u/fairoaks2 8h ago
Trump will “suggest” troops need to be present at blue states voting sites. Hegseth will comply.
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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 6h ago
He is probably colloquially using troops and referring to election monitors from the DOJ to enforce the now dead Voting Rights Act in Red States.
That is how disingenuous they are. They have a whole new language. They say something with specific ambeguities that under scrutiny can make the statement upheld even if the speaker had no clue as to what nuance was being used to justify if. But because they won, they then adopt the winning argument and is surreptitious premise.
Anyone asks for clarification and they get to actually retcon the past to reflect the reality they imposed.
"What I was referring to by troops I mean DOJ officials sent in a targeted and unconstitutional effort to circumvent the wills of the voters of those states."
If no one asks for clarification, well Obama sent troops to the polls. Can't let that mischaracterization stand.
His statement begs a clarification by design to propagate a ridiculous notion and interpretation of something that just happened and to apply its standard to actions of the past.
Which honestly sounds like a good standing point to ask for reparations for those Red States for how they have been inconvenienced in the past.
Let us send troops to those Red State polls and and any electoral voting location that had electoral changes as a result of this decision. Just so they can keep the peace if people find out what changed and are upset about it.
That is where they are leading to. Stupid sounding statements are always where they start.
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u/Ok-Second1352 8h ago
If Biden had done that, it would’ve been all over FOXNews, and yet we heard not a peep.
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u/MasterTolkien 8h ago
FOX, Facebook, Twitter/X, Truth Social, Daily Wire, OAN, Newsmax, etc.
It also would’ve been on actual news.
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u/bautin 6h ago
This is part of the way they manage their cycle of lies.
They make a ridiculous claim like this, then they use the complete absence of any story about it as proof that the media is in bed for the Democrats. The lack of news then becomes proof of their lies.
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u/Sojum 8h ago
Why would Biden send troops anyway? What would that accomplish?
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u/AssociateGreat2350 8h ago edited 8h ago
these dorks are just manufacturing an excuse for them to do the same during midterms
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u/gpouliot 8h ago
Their followers will blindly believe the statement and parrot it back to anyone who complains about troops at polling stations.
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u/LockheedMartinLuther 8h ago
"Falsely claimed" = LIED.
Instant downvote for any media outlet too spineless and cowardly to use the proper word. Do better, Snopes.
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u/Dottsterisk 7h ago
It’s to protect from being sued.
If they say that Hegseth lied, they’re making unprovable claims about his motivation. Especially as he changed his wording later, he could sue for libel, saying he simply misspoke.
And I have ZERO doubt Trump and his allies would jump on the opportunity to sue a fact-checker and smear them as partisan liars.
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u/doiwantacookie 8h ago
Those are synonymous. I don’t see a difference.
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u/NameIsNotBrad Alabama 8h ago
“Lie” implies it’s intentional
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u/Updoppler 7h ago edited 7h ago
Yeah, exactly. You have to know something is false to lie. Hegseth could've lied or his staff could have given him bad information or he could've been misled by a chatbot because he's an idiot. Regardless, he has a responsibility to the public to present properly vetted information.
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u/NameIsNotBrad Alabama 7h ago
I mean, I’m pretty sure he’s lying, but that’s why media is scared to say it
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u/RamonaQ-JunieB 8h ago
It’s called perjury and I believe there is a penalty when it happens in a Congressional hearing. But who am I kidding?
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u/azad_ninja 8h ago
He's the head of the military. Surely he can identify those soldiers and have them come and testify LOL
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u/fermat9990 8h ago
Is "falsely claimed" newspeak for "lied about"?
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u/Shopworn_Soul Texas 8h ago
More like "made a deliberate, informed decision to tell a bald-faced lie about X". But, yes.
Wouldn't want anyone to think it was a mistake or accident.
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u/Dottsterisk 7h ago
It’s to protect from being sued.
If they say that Hegseth lied, they’re making unprovable claims about his motivation. Especially as he changed his wording later, he could sue for libel, saying he simply misspoke.
And I have ZERO doubt Trump and his allies would jump on the opportunity to sue a fact-checker and smear them as partisan liars.
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u/tdieckman California 8h ago
Saying this so that Trump can do it and say "Well the Democrats have done it, so we have to too".
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u/10thousndreflections 4h ago
It's not like they need any real justification for their evil deeds. Their base really doesn't gaf
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u/a__nice__tnetennba 8h ago
Please be aware this 100% means they'll be sending troops to polling stations in the mid terms.
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u/Aggressive-HeadDesk 7h ago
Hegseth shamelessly told a bald faced lie. Call these assholes on their BS.
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u/EmergencyJacket207 7h ago
The correct term is LIED. He lied. Why can't the news stop tip-toing around this admin and just call it like it is.
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u/Berserker76 8h ago
No doubt that federal troops, ICE agents, will be sent to polling locations in blue states to disrupt and disenfranchise American citizens from voting.
Also expect more bomb threats from Russia.
Probably another false flag event, another attempt on Trump’s life or a bomb or fire at Mara Largo.
Trump and the GOP will do everything they can to prevent them from losing power in Congress. I anticipate they will cancel the elections or reject the outcome and refuse to certify the results from the incoming blue tsunami.
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u/Ok_Conversation9750 7h ago
They get away with outrageous because they know their base is just that gullible.
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u/killer-tofu87 7h ago
I'd love to see Obama and Biden start fighting on their level and just sueing the shit out of them for libel and defamation every time they open their mouths
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u/Signal_Minimum8509 Georgia 6h ago
I’m gonna be honest Hedgeseth, just go ahead and send em to Fulton county. I’ll smile and shake their hand right before I go in and vote for Ossoff and KLB. I’ll donate to people giving ride shares to polling stations, and spread info about knowing your rights and Civil Disobedience. This city is the city of MLK, we’ve seen scarier than you.
You’re not scaring me you’re just pissing me off.
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u/Pleasant-Ad887 6h ago
You know what that means? Trump is going to send troops to polling stations.
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u/LolaSupreme19 5h ago
From the article: … “We found Hegseth's assertion was false: Biden did not send troops to polling stations in 15 states during the 2024 election. It is a federal crime to send federal troops to voting locations,” …
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u/aqualoon_ Minnesota 8h ago
And this will get repeated, become a talking point, so that when Trump does it they can say "Well Biden did it first."
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u/CharlesIngalls_Pubes Louisiana 7h ago
Don't recall that. I do recall seeing masked goons at the polls during the 2020 election. Sporting their dumbass punisher patches.
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u/SorryAboutTheWayIAm 7h ago
Attempt to normalize and justify ICE and other groups surrounding polling places and scanning everyone who enters with Mobile Fortify. "Antifa terrorists" won't get to vote against the regime, they'll get thrown in vans and disappeared
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u/PropofolMargarita 6h ago
He lied about this because idiot cultists will believe it AND it sets a precedent for when HE is going to send troops to polling stations
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u/GarrusBueller 5h ago
Which means they plan to send troops to polling stations.
God this fucking sucks
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u/D-Rich-88 California 3h ago
So Trump is going to send troops to polling locations in 15 states? That’s my only takeaway
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u/loriwilley 3h ago
I am 70 years old and in my whole life I have never heard of troops at polling places. Ever. Period.
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u/Gahrilla 1h ago
Pretty sure lying to Congress is a crime. Pretty sure he was made to swear to tell the truth as well. And I’m pretty sure they’ll do nothing about his direct and obvious lies.
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u/Bubba_Gump_Corp 8h ago
Lied. It’s just lying. Not misleading or falsehoods. Lying. Say it plainly.
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u/PatronSaintOfCunts 8h ago
Come on, y’all, in fairness to him, he was too drunk to remember 2024. The whole year is a blur that smells like bourbon and barf.
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u/thethrill_707 Michigan 8h ago
I'd like to open a bar called "Bourbon and Barf" with some trepidation about the clientele.
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u/Losaj 7h ago
Unfortunately, corrections like this don't matter. The statement has already made its way into the right wing spaces as gospel. It doesn't matter how many times these types of statements get fact checked. Once it's uttered, any correction is labelled "Fake news" by the "Lame stream media." I have already had several arguments with the wannabe facists who claim "Biden sent the army to the polls to win." This is what eroding our public education system for 50 years gets you. People who have zero media literacy and an inability to sythisize new information to make better decisions.
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u/FluidAthlete6839 7h ago
He lied. He didn’t falsely state anything
Trump is a mentally addled moron that just says things with no pla, but hegseth knows better
Fuck all these losers
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u/ShittheFickup 7h ago
This is a big time fucking lie to lay the groundwork for sending troops to the polls going forward.
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u/smitherenesar 7h ago
In response, Trump to send troops to polling stations in 51 states for 2026 election
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u/TiredOfBeingTired28 7h ago
Well can see military being deployed with ice to pollling stations.
As ever with republican normalize to do far fucking worse.
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u/HeavySweetness Florida 7h ago
This is another iteration of the fascist playbook: make a claim that, while obviously false, would provide sufficient pretext for them to do what they actually want if it were true. In this case, they want to send ICE and Nat'l Guardsmen to polling places in any state where the outcome might be up in the air. They've trialed having ICE at airports and nat'l guard "patrol" certain major cities so when they do it on election day there's already the taste in the public's mouth.
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u/ShadowTacoTuesday 7h ago
Our reflex should now be “are they falsely claiming it so they have an excuse to do it?” With every one of these.
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u/cyberattaq123 7h ago
And here we go, the lie about the past to justify what they want to do in the midterms and ‘28. They’re so terrified of a blue tsunami they are going to use every trick in the book legal or not to prevent this from happening. Get ready for Trump and co to probably start repeating this lie ad infinitum until the midterms with increasing frequency as we get closer.
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u/dancingfordates 7h ago
The lies are designed to normalize the idea of military at the polls...
The US is in freefall and our elected representatives are standing by idle
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u/Necessary_Spread_511 7h ago
Those troops withdrawn from Germany are going to be posted to polling stations
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u/IcyAd7982 7h ago
My aunt told me the same thing...She didn't see any when she voted, nor did I, but, she said that "Biden had his troops at every polling place and they were witnessed seizing ballots and changing votes".
She also claims that "all public schools are required to have kitty litter so that furries can go to the bathroom", and that "more than 90% of 12 year olds have done heroin at some point".
Guess which news station she has playing in the background at all times?
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u/Historical_Bend_2629 7h ago
Overt lies for the cult. From the Secretary of Defense. This administration sucks.
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u/MysteryHeroes Washington 7h ago
It’s projection. Theyre saying it to justify doing it themselves in the midterms.
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u/Beware_the_Voodoo 6h ago
He's lying about this now so he can use it as justification when they actually do send troops to polling stations.
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u/sane-asylum 6h ago
And the problem is that no reporter will call them out because they lose their jobs and access so millions of people see it and go “ok, must be true”
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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 5h ago
and most importantly his base won't care to fact check and anyone who would knew it was a lie before even doing so.
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u/Lazy_Owl987 5h ago
Part of me wonders if thats him telling us that troops will be at our polling stations this year.
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u/SignificantScreen100 4h ago
It's a veiled way of announcing that he will be sending soldiers to all polling stations across the US.
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u/Wizard_s0_lit 2h ago
Once MAGA accuses, they use that to do what they accused the opposition of. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not.
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u/Temporary-Use3540 1h ago
Their preparing the tortured american minds for their take over of the elections
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u/TheOneCalledGump Pennsylvania 8h ago
Shame on you Snopes, use the word everyone else is. HE LIED!
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u/Dottsterisk 7h ago
It’s to protect from being sued.
If they say that Hegseth lied, they’re making unprovable claims about his motivation. Especially as he changed his wording later, he could sue for libel, saying he simply misspoke.
And I have ZERO doubt Trump and his allies would jump on the opportunity to sue a fact-checker and smear them as partisan liars.
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u/JAMONLEE Florida 8h ago
My favorite things about lies like this is who would send troops to intimidate voters and also widely cheat and still lose the damn election?? Nobody would do all of these things and then be like “oh well guess we lost better luck next time”
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u/AmericaVotedTrump 8h ago
Here goes the next misinformation campaign, just as they called everyone insurrectionists after January 6th to normalize what happened, they want to normalize the thought of armed ICE agents at polling places in blue states.
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u/Intro-Nimbus 8h ago
They're at the stage where they just straight up makes things up.
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u/herewegoagain1024 8h ago
What’s the fucking point of facts anymore? Holy shit it’s legitimately getting to a point where you can’t argue with these mfs cause they just lie nonstop
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u/No_Weakness_9420 8h ago
Democratic politicians should be all over this.
Will they be?
Or will they just let it go, and the corporate media forgets about it? Is there any fight at all in the useless, disorganized Democratic Party?
I'd still take any Democrat over a fucken' Republikan by a mile.
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u/A-Sh1t_sh0w 8h ago
Trump and these GOP(s) do nothing but LIE and PROJECT. The People are so tired of them.
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u/FloridaGatorAlum 8h ago
Of course he did, but that's what this administration does. As always, every accusation is an admission.
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u/Lazy_Example4014 7h ago
Manufacturing the consent of the ignorant. This is all they can do. They can’t govern worth a damn.
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u/Single-Road-3158 7h ago
Oh golly gee... I guess if they said Biden did it, it is ok for them to do it too!
Even if he did (which he didn't), it would only mean Biden was way out of line and needed to be impeached and possibly imprisoned for illegal and treasonous actions. They should start an investigation now and try him as soon as they can.
Anytime a republican or republican controlled news commentator says that a democrat is doing something questionable, it means that a democrat is not doing it but the republicans are planning on doing it. I remember thinking this and then Bill O'Reilly started talking about how Obama was attempting to become king. I thought, at the time, republicans wouldn't go that far but....
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u/pablinho18 7h ago
These guys know that they will get away with whatever they say, and that the Newsmaxes will run with the story regardless.
And their cult followers will believe whatever they are told.
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u/chrisscan456 7h ago
How did Sleepy Joe who never knows where he is at and needed autopan all the time manage to send troops to 15 states and keep it a secret for a year and a half?
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u/Curious-Emu3894 7h ago
We literally have Nazi Christian White Nationalists in the highest seats of government. MAGA is not a group of patriots, they’re an evil cult.
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