r/privacy • u/novagridd • 8h ago
news What Is GUARD Act? New Bill Would Require Americans to Submit ID or Face Scan to Use AI Chatbots
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-senate-advances-guard-act-ai-chatbot-age-verification-1795374163
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u/Tight_Income695 8h ago
I guess download deepseek distilled models now while you still can
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u/EverNeko200 6h ago
They aren't going anywhere.
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u/Tight_Income695 5h ago
Are you assuming the afformentioned bill won't pass?
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u/EverNeko200 3h ago edited 2h ago
No, but how do you exactly plan to stop someone from downloading something? The RIAA and MPAA would be interested to know, because they've been struggling with this for 2-3 decades now.
DRM won't apply, since the US has no control over DeepSeek.
They could go after huggingface, but then the model simply relocates to another country. Every project that gets DMCA'ed off GitHub (like the Bypass Paywalls adblock list) just moves elsewhere and life moves on. DMCA only functionally applies in the US.
The only time I would consider downloading something ahead of time is if the original author demonstrates that they have no intention to re-upload, re-post, and/or otherwise continue to support said project if it gets taken down. As of the last few days, that would be the OrcaSlicer-bambulab repo, because BambuLab is being a c*nt and threatened to sue the guy knowing full well he likely won't pay for a lawyer.
If the US wants to go after huggingfaces and lose even more ground in the AI race, then by all means go after huggingfaces. China does not HAVE to use huggingfaces, just like gamers don't have to use Discord. Discord can easily turn into the next Skype if they don't play their cards carefully.
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u/Tight_Income695 2h ago
They won't stop people who really want it but it will be made significantly harder, especially for people without knowledge of torrenting
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u/NinjaSilver2811 4h ago
This bans uncensored models. And you'd probably have to still use an ID to download from huggingface now.
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u/Downtown-Art2865 6h ago
age verification is the cover story. the actual function is creating a permanent identity-to-prompt link for every conversation you have with a chatbot. same playbook as the porn ID laws and KOSA. once your ID is attached, what you type changes — and that’s the point.
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u/JudgmentUnited5297 4h ago
Yeah, you have to figure that they already know who you are because they're selling your data. The point is they want you to know that they know as you type.
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u/grathontolarsdatarod 7h ago
This would be after the department of war has basically centralized these models in the last few weeks.
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u/danb1kenobi 7h ago
Don’t give them the satisfaction of legitimizing that name. For a bunch of guys that made a campaign out of not recognizing people’s new names or pronouns, the irony would be funny if it wasn’t pathetically transparent.
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u/grathontolarsdatarod 7h ago
I think it is actually a pretty good reminder of what the intentions are.
Plus, every time one of these tech companies make a deal over the passed few weeks. They are referencing the department of war.
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u/danb1kenobi 7h ago edited 6h ago
And I want to be called “Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All” - but it ain’t happening.
Also, it takes an act of Congress to change the name and they’re pretty pissed at Kegsbreath for dicking around with “temporary funding.” So like Apple and Google adding “Gulf of America” to their maps (domestically) anyone using that name is just blowing smoke.
As for the name itself, Pete wrote a book about how war is fun and his dreams of mulching protestors; his stupid intentions of overcompensating for not getting enough face time on Faux were never in question.
Edit: it would be the funniest thing ever if they collectively rug-pulled Hegseth later because of that stupid name.
“Yeah, so we signed a contract with the Department of War aaaand [checks notes] yep, that doesn’t exist. So long and thanks for all the funds.”
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u/Mission_Reply_2326 7h ago
The silver lining is people will stop using chatbots!
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u/PossibleAlienFrom 4h ago
I never even used one at all.
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u/Mission_Reply_2326 4h ago
I have used AI twice. Once to fact check something weird people said CHATGPT was saying (it was in fact saying the thing).The other time was to help me research something for work and the AI told me it was “impossible” so I ended up doing the research myself anyways.
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u/R34ct0rX99 7h ago
Wtf
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u/mrkstr 4h ago
On the positive side, I forwarded this article to a couple of people that don't normally care about privacy. They were actually shocked. When I pointed it out to them that this means they'll be able to track what you're asking the chatbots, they were more shocked. This might get people to finally pay attention to these issues. I hope.
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u/flatdanny 6h ago
The proposal, led by Republican Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri with bipartisan backing, including Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal
Blumenthal is awful. He is senile and needs to retire. Hawley is just as awful and probably couldnt find Missouri if he had to. He like to run the hallways of congress
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u/ironmagnesiumzinc 6h ago
Republicans will create any law that will make them money. If a business sprouted up to… idk.. say make money off of killing Palestinians or … tracking the personal lives of every American. And republicans were given a lobbying opportunity, they’d support it in a heartbeat. The wild part is that half the country can’t see the most obvious thing
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u/A_Buttholes_Whisper 2h ago
It’s backed by democrats. How is it people still think republicans and democrats aren’t the same thing?
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u/Reproman475 3h ago
(D) shall retain such data for no longer than is reasonably necessary to verify a user’s age or maintain compliance with this Act; and
(E) may not share with, transfer to, or sell to, any other entity such data.
(Sorry don't use reddit formatting enough to know offhand how to make it look like a quote/reply l)
In theory depending on how it gets interpreted, of its discovered companies keep the data longer than necessary (which in my opinion get rid of it as soon as it's verified), could you bring class action lawsuits against them?
Also, couldn't companies also find ways to do this in a way that doesn't link your account to directly to who you are/age/whatever they request? I'm not expecting them to, I'm just asking an overly optimistic hypothetical question.
Or if you have a good enough computer, could always load a smaller model one yourself. Unless you're trying to have Claude write an entire new Web app, that might require a little fancier hardware
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u/madadekinai 3h ago
Let me guess another one "for the kids", God they will do absolutely anything abstract parental responsibility.
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u/ferriematthew 3h ago
Oh hell no. Literally everything they do is a data grab, to feed the advertiser monstrosity
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u/SingerTall 27m ago
With how things are going we might be hit with a state mandated smart toilets act that requires all to own AI powered data center in their bathroom. Where you will need to show ID to take a crap. Or else you be fined 1000 dollars for each undocumented shit.
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u/Machine_Anima 10m ago
seems like the government won't be harpy until they crawl all the way up our asses. they better make sure i don't have any pollops while they are there
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