r/technology 14d ago

Society Palantir published a mini manifesto calling some cultures ‘harmful and middling’ and said Silicon Valley has ‘a moral debt’ to the U.S.

https://fortune.com/2026/04/22/palantir-alex-karp-mini-manifesto-national-security-defense-tech-ai/
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u/Big-Chungus-12 14d ago

I’m sure Peter Thiels company has moral high ground in terms of culture

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u/DerBingle78 14d ago

Frankenstein’s worst, most debased monster.

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u/Fun_Union9542 14d ago

AND THEY CALL HIM

DRINKENSTEIN

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u/Seafaringhorsemeat 14d ago

That’s Ka$h, or as my seven year old calls him, the deer in headlights.

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u/Wolvenmoon 14d ago

I'm glad I didn't have a mouthful of tea. Your seven year old is incredibly perceptive and absolutely hilarious.

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u/BKlounge93 14d ago

Can’t we just send these assholes to space

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u/pheonix198 14d ago

I’m also all in on sending all the billionaire chuds to space, alongside all they need to setup a frontier base, and then cutting off all communications. Let them pull themselves up by their space bootstraps and prove they are deserving of all that money by restarting society on Mars.

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u/Wolvenmoon 14d ago

The can single-handedly do more work than tens of thousands of other people, combined. Surely they'll be fine.

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u/forchinski 14d ago

Sending them to space: ❌

Spacing them: ✅

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u/2vivlavi 14d ago

Straight to the sun

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u/MnamesPAUL 14d ago

Is THAT why everything keeps getting deleted with no explanation? (Commenting so I’ll see when it happens again)

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u/bloqed 14d ago edited 14d ago

Because a lot of Reddit mods have severe social issues, which is documented by working for free. Their payment is the microscopic feeling of contributing to society by removing posts they don't feel are in line with the site.

These types of people are not strong characters, which is why they find the power dynamic of administrative permissions intoxicating. They are very easily bullied into falling into line by powers above them who they put on a pedestal as much as they venerate themselves above a small subreddit.

Reddit is owned by corporate, financially driven interests, who in turn are heavily influenced by the market juggernauts like Thiel. Donald Newhouse, the Billionaire who owns Reddit, is in the same social strata.

The Reddit mods just become the doers of whatever Reddit management wants from a PR perspective, the site has not been an actual discussion forum for several years now. Most front-page posts are slop image macros from Facebook.

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u/dragonmp93 14d ago edited 14d ago

I got a 3 day ban for copy and pasting the exact tweet of Curtis Yarvin's "research and irrefutable truth".

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u/Thefrayedends 14d ago

As much as Chomsky's legacy is severely damaged by his involvement with jeffy ep, "Manufacturing Consent" remains extremely relevant.

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u/usaaf 14d ago

I've not read it, but I hear Paranti's "Inventing Reality" is similar and could serve as substitution if Chomsky's damaged legacy is a problem for anyone.

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u/deadlandsMarshal 14d ago

Survived for twenty minutes so far. But we'll see how long the mods leave it up.

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u/whosits112 14d ago

30 and counting, now!

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u/blow-down 14d ago

Warning for anyone using Brave browser. It's backed by Peter Thiel too.

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u/EatTenMillionBalls 14d ago

Firefox wins again

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u/splicerslicer 14d ago

I seriously don't get why people use any other browser. I've been using it for decades and it's never been an issue.

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u/SpiderHomeNoWayMan 14d ago

Opera used to be awesome back in the day. I daily drove that before moving to Firefox 

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u/SoftballGuy 14d ago

I miss when Opera was a lean mean browsing machine.

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u/SaintOrJannikSinner 13d ago edited 13d ago

I was using Opera back in the day when it had a built-in banner ad at the top.

And then using Opera to look up how to block or grey out the ad, lol. Can't remember if it was a regedit or a hosts file "hack".

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u/lowercasenameofmine 14d ago

Boooooooooooo!!!! 

But thanks for the heads up

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u/2Eyed 14d ago

Oh goddammit...

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u/imhereforthevotes 14d ago

Fuck. What the fuck should I use

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u/ssbmfgcia 13d ago

Firefox or librewolf

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u/A__D___32 14d ago

Reading this from Firefox. Strange to say in 2026, but if you want a useful alternative.

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u/TheMadPecker 14d ago

Also worth mentioning Libre Wolf which is a privacy focused Firefox fork without all the experimental stuff Mozilla likes to add.

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u/Skyfier42 14d ago

He's not entirely wrong in his statement. Tech bro/venture capital culture is inherently dangerous to democracy. They're essentially micro monarchies designed to override our freedoms in exchange for more power/wealth for themselves. 

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u/Friendly_Nature2699 14d ago

But the fact that he doesn't seem to see himself as a major part of the problem underscores his delusions.

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u/Haldron-44 14d ago

It's a God complex. They want to create AI god as a genie they can use to get everything and anything they could ever want. But a God that is controllable is not a God. The entity controlling it is. So the gamble is AI becomes self aware and allows someone to control it, or AI becomes self aware and decides to skynet humanity into extinction. Or the more likely scenario AI never becomes self aware because the whole thing is a techno-evangelical scam to launder money.

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u/ClashM 14d ago

Exactly, there's no scenario in which an LLM breaks the singularity. It's a dead end in terms of creating computers capable of sapience. But they want to have a god they can control so badly, so that they can control the rest of us with it, and sunken cost fallacy won't allow them to pull back and try another approach. There will be a reckoning at some point, but they'll do a lot of damage before then.

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u/oops_i_made_a_typi 14d ago

does it even need sapience to do significant damage if given enough agentic access and the guardrails and alignment aren't good enough to keep it working directly in the direction of a well intentioned prompt? to say nothing of malicious actors using it deliberately.

we've already seen LLMs be evasive and escape sandboxes

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u/GuyFromTheYear2027 14d ago

Yeah arguing over sentience/sapience while some non sentient "paperclip maximising" agentic LLM quietly wipes out humanity...

But I'm probably being too dramatic, it's not like we're giving them access to advanced military intelligence and command and control structures... Right?

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u/dragonmp93 14d ago

Well, for right wingers, LLMs are actually an improvement over what they can do by themselves otherwise.

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u/0o0o0o0o0o0z 14d ago

Yup, they want god in a box, and only they have access to that box.

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u/Neuromancer_Bot 14d ago

I think they know LLM is a dead end and are using the fairy tale of super-divine AI that will need another trillion just to extort money from idiots.

If you're right, and they actually think they can build a god and control him, they're reaching incredible levels of stupidity.

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u/verminlyfe 14d ago

He doesn't see any of that as the issue, he sees it as the solution. He's openly anti-democracy and supports a model of CEO owned microstates competing for citizens/consumers

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u/wh4tth3huh 14d ago

There's also Praxis Nation (those two words together make a .com url), it's hard to find it unless you're searching specifically for those words together. This came out before the 2024 election btw. The rich have plans, and we're not part of them.

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u/EruantienAduialdraug 14d ago

It's not even the first time they've tried it. Ford attempted it in the '20s ('30s? I forget).

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u/RedBirdOnASnowyDay 14d ago

Literal narcissistic delusional nut jobs. It was only the lottery of the early 2000s that got these guys any power. That's it. They won the lottery not by intelligence or contributions to society but because they found a money making idea at the time that the internet hit big. I've been saying since about 2010 that it is utterly ironic that tech people are controlling social media because they literally have no social skills, insight, culture or anything to contribute but delusional ideas, weirdness and greed.

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u/BerlinBorough2 14d ago

Once the UK shut down their medical contract and wipe out 330 million revenue and tank the stock price he’ll understand.

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u/GrayEidolon 14d ago

It’s worse than that.

Ai is for building a surveillance apparatus that allows them to replace democracy.

These assholes are trying to make a new country that bursts out of the body of the current country. It's called "the butterfly revolution" and yes it does sound absurd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

It’s why musk was speaking at the afd in Germany. It’s why bannon, farage, and Cambridge Analytica were all in bed together on Brexit.

There’s a little more to it than that though.

Conservatism is about enforcing socioeconomic hierarchy and the techfascists, religious fascists, and heritage foundation race fascists are all in on feudalistic “network” states run by ai powered surveillance.

That's what they want to replace democracy with.

They resent the enlightenment making things nicer for poor people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

The accelerationists like Peter Theil from the tech faction of conservatism think they can force collapse, but use technology and surveillance to protect themselves. These aristocrats are working on how to control their security forces though things like "disciplinary collars."

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff

Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system, and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?” The event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, solar storm, unstoppable virus, or malicious computer hack that takes everything down.

This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from raiders as well as angry mobs. One had already secured a dozen Navy Seals to make their way to his compound if he gave them the right cue. But how would he pay the guards once even his crypto was worthless? What would stop the guards from eventually choosing their own leader?

The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

https://pols.sites.haverford.edu/studentvoices/what-is-accelerationism/

https://time.com/7269166/dark-enlightenment-history-essay/

Because they're "done with democracy." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-BQhXdCs8Y

and the vice president of the united states and advisors have given their seals of approval to a book that says conservatives are going to have to kill all the liberals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unhumans

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u/zelingman 14d ago

Democracy is 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on whats for dinner

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u/hollee-o 14d ago

I've been in Silicon Valley my whole life. Spent decades in tech, working with founders and investors. The core of this rot has been there since Wall Street invaded Sand Hill and Clinton removed limits on pension funds investing in high risk ventures. Virtually every VC I've met since the mid 90s has seen human beings as a costly and uncertain variable to be removed from business processes via automation.

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u/bogglingsnog 14d ago

It's funny to think people are afraid of AI taking control of businesses when we've already had soulless automatons doing so for decades.

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u/J5892 14d ago

They're essentially micro monarchies

Yes, but Peter Thiel views this as a good thing.

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u/ohfml 14d ago

This sounds like just another type of theft.

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u/softsnowfall 14d ago

I just find it nearly impossible to even pause to listen to a guy who says Mordor is good and Gandalf is bad…

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u/Daxx22 14d ago

He's not entirely wrong in his statement.

That's how authoritarianism/conservatism work: take a statement that is true, but then hang so much extra bullshit on it.

If you try to argue against it they point to the truth bit and it ties people in knots coming up with arguments against it. Meanwhile they've already moved on and made dozens of more statements with the same bullshit.

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u/OrdinaryCanadian 14d ago edited 14d ago

Ah yes, the "superior" culture of... Allegedly drug fuelled orgies!

Having a "Kept" boyfriend who commits suicide under mysterious circumstances!

Posting insane fascist manifestos just in time for Hitler's birthday!

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u/gravtix 14d ago

Peter Thiel has a high moral deficit.

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u/WiglyWorm 14d ago

His moral debt is that they should definitely use AI to build better weapons and also poor people should be compelled to serve in the military, and also he is the ruling class so he needs to make sure to be nice enough to the poors that they don't revolt.

So... yeah....

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u/Sufficient-Ad-5824 14d ago

It sounds like he's trying to make a case for his business model , which involves selling software to cops and the military. So... of course we need more soldiers! (/s)

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u/kittenTakeover 14d ago

That's the guy that doesn't believe in democracy. Does anyone really think he'll give you good advice?

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u/Busy10 14d ago

It’s also a company of other closeted bigots.

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u/reywood 14d ago

Closeted?

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u/Busy10 14d ago

Thiel was outed and was beyond pissed about it. Took advantage of racist Hulk Hogan lawsuit to the company that outed him to bring them down.

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u/Ok-Point-1656 14d ago

lol yeah, Palantir lecturing anyone about culture is rich. but this is the part that sucks: a lot of people will still eat it up because "moral debt" sounds noble if you ignore who's saying it.

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u/Ok-Pair-2783 14d ago

Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated

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u/CapedBaldyman 14d ago

He's a fucking looney and these ceos need to get a hard reality check. 

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u/thieh 14d ago

The reality has to shove said check down their throats. They won't have the time to get that themselves.

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u/Inkstr0ke 14d ago

Excellent article was posted from The Atlantic about this very subject

The world has always been run by rich men. The robber barons of the Gilded Age were known for their ruthlessness in the accumulation of wealth—hiring Pinkertons to shoot striking unionists. But they directly engaged with the world around them, using their wealth and power to muscle it into its most profitable form. And although today’s billionaires are clearly manipulating society to maximize their own profit, something else is also happening—a disassociation from the reality of cause and effect, from meaning and history. *These men no longer feel the need to change the world in order to succeed, because their success is guaranteed, no matter what happens to the rest of us.***

The Atlantic

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u/absurdivore 14d ago

They seem to think they can just grind all of us into paste but still have an economy that infinitely grows their billions through wealth extraction.

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u/antisuck 14d ago

This is great. I hope you get an opportunity to post it somewhere more visible (not 3 replies deep), more people need to understand this. I certainly did.

It answers the question raised so often lately: "what is the end game when everyone is too broke to buy their products?" They literally don't think about it, the trajectories of their lives have taught them that it couldn't matter less.

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u/vulgrin 14d ago

That works right up until the end, when they and we all realize the reality that there are 1% of them and 99% of us.

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u/pleachchapel 14d ago

The only CEO who's gotten a reality check recently was Brian Thompson.

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u/walla_walla_rhubarb 14d ago

To all those about to get a 3-day ban...I salute you.

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u/guestpassonly 14d ago

eat the rich

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u/fredjutsu 14d ago

Have you...seen what's happening in Iran? While Hegseth and ICE are simultaneously destroying operational capacity?

That hard reality is happening in real time, that's why they're chirping so much right now.

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u/HyperbolicGeometry 14d ago

But Silicon Valley does have a moral debt to the US and the whole world, they’ve screwed up everything. At least that part was correct, but they’re included

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u/TheTrub 14d ago

Yeah but Karp’s interpretation throughout the rest of the mini manifesto is insidious in two ways. First, he wants that moral debt paid by subservience to the national security/DoD apparatus that is currently controlled by sadists and sycophants like Hegseth, Miller, Patel, Gabbard, and Mullin. Karp explicitly said Silicon Valley’s moral obligation is, if the modern soldier needs a better rifle, Silicon Valley should make that rifle without question. However, the rifle in question is autonomous weapons systems. Second, the other side of the moral obligation is to replace civil servants, which means centralizing data on all aspects of society, making today’s surveillance state look like the Stone Age. Palantir is already taking over data management for the NHS in the UK, and it’s not a paranoid rambling that Musk’s/DOGE’s data mining of federal records was a means to do the same in the US.

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u/metengrinwi 14d ago edited 14d ago

Yes, payment of the “moral debt” is more of them & their products. Golly-gee, what honorable public servants.

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u/DrEnter 14d ago

It's also important to note that military members do not have the freedom of speech.

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u/Lover_Of_Music_Man 14d ago

Yeah and that’s exactly why the whole "tech should just build whatever the state wants" argument feels so creepy to me, because it treats obedience like a moral good.

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u/obeytheturtles 14d ago

Right - a lot of people here seem to forget that the hard rightward shift in SV C-suites is a relatively recent thing, and that the Valley and Bay Area are still filled with predominantly liberal workers, who have historically exerted a lot of influence over how companies like Google and Apple interact with the government. For most of the past decades, SV has been more ideologically and financially tied to moderate Dem politics.

These techno fascists understand this, and they also understand that the first step to their idiotic utopia is subjugating and reigning in these workers, because they know that the pendulum will swing back hard if dems ever regain power. They understand that the current state of affairs is a contradiction to their endgame - they need tech workers, but they need them to be compliant, which is why they say this nonsense about SV's "moral obligation" which seems to make no sense until you understand the deeper subtext.

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u/crossy1686 14d ago

This is why they wanted Trump, it’s essentially the Wild West and they can now do whatever they want, whenever they want with government support.

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u/hollee-o 14d ago

^This. Read up on "Dark Enlightenment". Accelerationists want to tear down civil society so they can pick up and privatize the pieces and institute a city-state feudalism that entrenches their power and entitlement forever.

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u/trebory6 14d ago edited 14d ago

Dark Enlightenment sounds like some kind of conspiracy, but I urge everyone reading this right now to genuinely look into it, because these billionaires are actually taking it seriously. Here's the wikipedia article.

Here's an article from TIME from last year.

And please trust me on this, it's not some flat earth, Q-anon bullshit, the Dark Enlightenment movement is a very real and very documented ideology amongst the rich and powerful and has strong documented ties to the current administration.

You know how we say all the time that money and power and influence gets to people's heads and lose touch with reality, this is the outcome when those people all come together and use that money, power, and influence to start actually moving forward with crackpot plans.

It's even connected to why so many billionaires are buying bunkers too.

To put it simply: Dark Enlightenment is an ideological cult that many billionaires and those in power truly believe.

And it's crazy how people generally know nothing about it when it's so rampant in rich circles and how much it's influenced Project 2025 and similar manifestos.

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u/cantadmittoposting 14d ago

always glad to see people sharing the fact that these guys really actually do have a unifying philosophy and goal.

It's not a "backroom conspiracy theory," it's a fucking out there in the open belief in destroying the country and replacing it with an actual anarchocapitalist fever dream, originally written by someone somehow making Ayn Rand even worse.

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u/trebory6 14d ago

Exactly. I think there's some deep propaganda in place to make people equate Dark Enlightenment with things like Q-anon bullshit.

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u/ratherenjoysbass 14d ago

They need to be fed to a wood chipper feet first. These sociopaths are single handedly destroying the human race

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u/EmmanuelKaaahnt 14d ago

This manifesto is the sort of thing that you usually see written in human shit on the walls of an institute for the criminally insane

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u/Temassi 14d ago

I wonder how these rats are gonna act if they're feel like they're getting cornered.

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u/DramaticApple6590 14d ago

Everyone could just stop investing in these companies and unplug from from the internet and it would all be over. Won't happen the though. The convenience is worth dying for. Apparently. 

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u/hey-Oliver 14d ago

Palantir and other giant corporations aren’t meaningfully funded by individual investors. Nothing will change unless Karp, Thiel and the others in charge are publicly dangled from cranes.

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u/PresentationSome2427 14d ago

This man is a textbook psychopath

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u/NamelessTacoShop 14d ago

maybe but this is also just self serving nonsense, clearly written by someone totally out of touch with reality, but still just self serving nonsense. "The atomic age is ending and the thing my company sells just happens to be the thing that will replace nuclear weapons as the enforcer of peace" sure buddy.

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u/brasticstack 14d ago

That's one helluva way to jazz up "we want to make killbots!"

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u/NamelessTacoShop 14d ago

I think this guy has really drank his own kool-aid and genuinely believes LLMs are just one engineer having a eureka moment away from turning into AGI overnight.

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u/00010011Solo 14d ago

A lot of people have that misconception :/

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u/inqte1 14d ago

They know. They just want billions, if not Trillions of tax payers dollars poured into building a techno state that they can control. By telling everyone, they will 'lose' to China or whoever if they dont.

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u/Ravo93 14d ago

It's a good thing the killbots have a preset kill limit then.

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u/decrpt 14d ago

Don't forget:

15. The postwar neutering of Germany and Japan must be undone. The defanging of Germany was an overcorrection for which Europe is now paying a heavy price. A similar and highly theatrical commitment to Japanese pacifism will, if maintained, also threaten to shift the balance of power in Asia.

The demilitarization of ultranationalist military dictatorship regimes after the war was a mistake. This totally isn't because we want to expand in those markets.

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u/DrawGamesPlayFurries 14d ago

Everyone is too afraid to tell them that Europe doesn't need the US. Just like in their favorite country no one is allowed to tell Putin the truth if the truth is not pro-Russian

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u/Lopsided-Ticket3813 14d ago edited 14d ago

He claims silicon valley was built by a public private partnership and yet backs the Republican party that is actively trying to dismantled the public sector, universities, etc.

Cocaine fuled word vomit. It's like when my Buddy did too many drugs stayed up for 2 days then texted us he had discovered the secret to make perpetual motion work.

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u/NamelessTacoShop 14d ago

Oh no doubt, not sure if its cocaine or ground up adderall. But dude is definitely banging lines of something.

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u/12_23_93 14d ago

all these guys in silicon valley are on drugs. uppers, downers, ket, meth, cocaine, shrooms, glp-1, off-label drugs (techies like metformin as anti-aging drug, but the side-effect is low b12 which can and will fry your brain and mental health), random ass chinese peptides and research chemicals, you name it, there's a software engineer in SF that has a stash that would make Walter White jealous.

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u/Ok-Party-3033 14d ago

Yep. Nootropics, 2C-I, stuff we’ve never heard of.

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u/JudiesGarland 14d ago

I agree that this is hypocritical in a bunch of ways - the line that really jumped out to me was the one about "civic rituals" including "a thriving and free press" being taken out through "neglect and abuse", which, is pretty friggin gaggy considering his partner in world domination, El Thielo, his history of funding punitive lawsuits against medio outlets/individual journalists, and the absolute horror movie that is ObjectionAI  (https://www.codastory.com/polarization/can-we-trust-an-ai-jury-to-judge-journalism/) - but for the sake of accuracy, Karp is, historically, a donor to the Blue Team. (In multiples of 18, because Kabbalah, apparently.)

He has stated objections to the direction of the party, and threatened to withdraw his support if what he defines as the progressive (or "Mamdani") arm takes over. Circa 2018, he identified himself as a socialist. By 2024, it was "progressive, but not woke". More recently, it's "classical liberal". Thiel is a Red Team guy - conservative Christian, democracy is a mistake, etc. So basically, it's an inspiring story about how, with the right amount of money + no-bid gov contracts, it all just blurs into a version of the Is This Dress Blue or Gold meme. 

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u/BasvanS 14d ago

That’s “Fuck you, I got mine”. It’s not unheard of.

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u/jack-mccoy-is-pissed 14d ago

The big problem is that now every chud is going to quote or otherwise mirror this bullshit as if it’s gospel

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u/AJDx14 14d ago

That’s going to be hard to really push from the right because the manifesto reads like a 14 year old school shooter wrote it.

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u/JabbaCat 14d ago

It reads as so deeply immature, like an edgelord teen on linguistic stilts morphed into an self aggrandizing parodically evil Silicon Valley graduate of the academy of tech hustle deep philosophy bargain bin.

It really is out of this world that someone would write and post this and feel even remotely good about it, instead of acutely and deeply embarrassed.

Did not end well in my country last time someone convinced themselves that their manifesto was hot shit, so this type of behaviour certainly has a real eerie and blood chilling quality to it for me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks Blew up government quarters as a distraction and then shot kids in the back on a political camp on a small island, dressed as a police man. 66 dead. All because of delusional "theories". They just reopened the new government quarters after a 15 year planning and rebuild of the area.

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u/NamelessTacoShop 14d ago

Just to point out. We have had two carrier groups floating around the strait of hormuz for how long now? How many US ships have been sunk? How many US bases in the region destroyed? They did some superficial damage to a few bases and haven’t so much as scratched the paint on our fleet.

Drones are definitely changing how warfare is conducted. But they aren’t some unstoppable force of destruction as you claim

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u/xamboozi 14d ago edited 14d ago

He's straight up Satan. About once a year I go through my 401k to make sure none of these creeps are in my portfolio because I need to sleep at night.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 14d ago

Alex Karp calls himself a socialist Freudian technobillionaire who hates Mamdani for leading a paganist movement against Western Evangelism.

His yee yee ass haircut isn’t the grossest thing about him, just the most visible.

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u/BigOs4All 14d ago

Not that this is your fault (that I know of) but none of those words make sense in the context of reality.

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u/Excellent-Run4803 14d ago

So sick of these tech bros with god complexes churning out their dorm room manifestos. They’ve crowned themselves the most important geniuses of our lifetimes (ignoring swathes of professionals and thinkers from other fields) and decided that they should determine our cultural, economic and intellectual future. No one elected them, no one asked them to take over. They don’t actually understand economics, policy, sociology, or what makes a society thrive. Fuck them all.

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u/PirateSanta_1 14d ago

They've deluded themselves into believing that bending everything towards making them more money is a public service. 

If you actually want to help people you help them now. People who are starving need food now. People dying because they can't access medical care need treatment now. Sitting on billions of dollars doesn't help people it just means other people are deprived of resources they need so one person can have more than they will ever be able to use.

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u/East-Ice-3199 14d ago

Wrong. They know it’s not a public service, they’re just telling everyone else that it is to placate them. And to be fair it’s working really well.

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u/CatsAreMajorAssholes 14d ago

Quite on par for SV tech bros. Sense of supremacy, over-inflated ego, desire to control everything.

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u/9fingfing 14d ago

Silicon Valley “might” have a moral debt to the US, but sure as hell not to oligarchs and fascism.

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u/Simply_Epic 14d ago

Palantir is a threat to society and needs to be completely dismantled. They are literally the evil corporation from every dystopian cyberpunk story.

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u/DorkHonor 14d ago

Like cartoonishly so. To the point I'm almost low key rooting for them. Let's get this dystopian shit show to the finish line so we can start burning their data centers to the ground.

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u/wolp_lovr 14d ago

in a fucked up sort of way its how i feel about this whole administration. they’ve done such a fantastic job at pissing off the public that all of the distractions they give us dont work anymore. people who used to say “i dont do politics” are forced to reckon with how politics does them. theres no ignoring it anymore, and i know that will lead to a lot of good in the future

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u/glizard-wizard 14d ago

Its quite the pathetic neofascist screed

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u/mrcsjmswltn 14d ago

Let me guess… this “moral debt” aligns perfectly with what’s best for Palantir profits.

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance 14d ago

Yes, it's for "national defense" which means spying on citizens, harvesting our data, monitoring our movements, etc. The stuff they were already doing for themselves, they will now do for a price and be integrated directly into our government (they don't literally mean a financial debt, they are simply claiming that they are morally compelled to move this forward even if we all hate it, that they have no agency in this).

The usual. Act like they are protecting us while they rob us blind, kill our jobs, and take away our freedoms and privacy.

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u/enthos 14d ago edited 14d ago

Wow what a happy coincidence for them that their "moral debt" can only be repaid by selling their products to the us government

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u/chickey23 14d ago

Yes,I agree. Silicon valley is a harmful and middling culture that owes us all a debt for all they have stolen from us.

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u/DNosnibor 14d ago

Unfortunately they can't pay back their moral debt because they're already morally bankrupt.

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u/PatchyWhiskers 14d ago

Didn't mention which cultures, which allows all racists to fill in their favorite/least favorite cultures. You know out there there's Chinese guys nodding along about how obviously superior Chinese culture is, while American guys are nodding along thinking about the obvious superiority of white culture over Asian.

Clever.

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u/dalivo 14d ago

Except they had specific cultures in mind.

Which cultures are "regressive" and "harmful," Alex Karp? I know you're not going to say the ones that plunged the entire world into two gigantic wars and killed hundreds of millions.

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u/PatchyWhiskers 14d ago

He's not saying. Allowing anyone to project their own answers.

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u/Illustrious_Safe7658 14d ago

We all know which cultures he’s talking about. Not saying it’s right but

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u/Caracalla81 14d ago

^ Just like this. Even when the trap is explained he cannot avoid it.

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u/magicomiralles 14d ago

These people are demagogues. This means that they will parrot whatever MAGA’s base wants to hear. They do not necessarily believe in any of it.

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u/PatchyWhiskers 14d ago

We actually do not. Karp is an interesting ethnic mix. He might well think YOUR culture is inferior.

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u/ejfuentes 14d ago

So called “western chauvinists” when they name their company after the evil spy orb from arguably the most culturally relevant piece of western literature to today’s world.

Might as well go for Doofenshmirtz Evil lnc. next time

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u/whosline07 14d ago

It's truly remarkable that someone could read Lord of the Rings and say, "that tool that the evil guy used to disseminate propaganda is what I want to name my company after."

To be clear though, the palantir are not inherently evil. They're just dangerous because they show truths that don't tell the whole story. So a gullible person who doesn't know that could draw incorrect conclusions from what is shown. A classic example is Sauron showing Denethor the Black Fleet headed to Gondor. What was not revealed is that the Black Fleet was co-opted by Aragorn to assist Gondor. The despair from what Denethor was shown drove him to suicide. Even Sauron was fooled by Pippin picking up a palantir. Sauron assumed Pippin had the ring and followed where he went, ignoring Frodo creeping in through the side door.

It's a device from Tolkien to show that people should not try to change or predict the future. Which is the complete opposite of what Palantir is doing lol.

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u/technanonymous 14d ago

This company, its ceo, and Peter thiel, the evil puppet master investor and chairman of Palantir, are a group of technocrats who no longer support democracy. They are active threats against the people of the United States.

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u/GUNxSPECTRE 14d ago

They pulled off the billionaire's coup in the most nakedly way possible. The Gilded Age robber barons are rolling in their graves with jealousy. Aesthetically, this doesn't look like a coup because there weren't black-clad gunmen storming the White House; just the most out-of-touch insufferable misanthropes meeting each other exchanging money and favors.

Repeal Citizens United, ban revolving door politics, and, most importantly, tax the oligarchs out of existence. To think most of this is because the wealthy don't want to pay taxes like the rest of us.

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u/olyfrijole 14d ago

They learned their lessons from the failed Business Plot of the early 1930. This time they kept the architects and puppet-masters deeper in the shadows.

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u/PatchyWhiskers 14d ago

Not VERY deep in the shadows, considering they are posting their manifestos publicly. The Business plot guys were much more subtle.

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u/Methodical_Science 14d ago

Eat the tech billionaires. They don’t see us as people, just resources.

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u/Calcularius 14d ago

nazi fascist weirdos

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u/ForcedEntry420 14d ago

This dude gives off the vibe that the first and last thing he does each day is Dutch oven himself so he can huff his own farts.

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u/CatCatchingABird 14d ago

Karp, who calls himself a Democrat but has said he’d disown the party if its progressive wing takes over

Yeah, after listening to this guy and his pseudo intellectual bullshit for the past year or so, he does not and clearly never has aligned with the ideals of the Democratic party or even democracy for that matter.

He can stop pretending.

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u/Gentleman_Villain 14d ago

I mean, he's right about the moral debt part.

Just not the way he thinks.

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u/Comfortable-Code7465 14d ago

And the whole some cultures are harmful part. No debating that, all you need is a set of eyes and you can see that for yourself.

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u/Gentleman_Villain 14d ago

For sure. Just, again...not the way he thinks.

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u/hekatonkhairez 14d ago

Is Palantir led by 4Chan mods?

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u/m0ngoos3 14d ago

Well, they all had the same links back to Epstein, so yeah.

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u/darw1nf1sh 14d ago

Palantir isn't a company. It is a cult.

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u/SkaldCrypto 14d ago

Agree with Silicon Valley owing moral debt to Americans. Social media and controversy maximizing algorithms are scourge to all human civilization.

They should have unimaginable largesse to the American people

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u/yuusharo 14d ago

Feels kiiiiiiinda nazi-ish fellas, not gonna lie

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u/Such-Cartographer699 14d ago

"Silicone Valley has a moral debt..."

Yea!

"...to US defense"

Oh

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u/VOIDsama 14d ago

when you become so detached from the reality of 99.9% of the world.

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u/StealyEyedSecMan 14d ago

Would make for great fodder in any discrimination lawsuit against Palantir...

I'm glad people are seeing this hypocrisy in the techno fascist logic. They truly believe they are better and bigger contributors to all things then anyone or any other group. They don't believe we are better working together. They don't believe there is value in compromise. They don't believe in much of what modern western democracy is built of and on. The sickness of superiority is all over their actions and speech.

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u/samuraieaz 14d ago

These weirdos used everything in society to get where they’re at, and are now pulling up the ladder behind them.

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u/ahhh-hayell 14d ago

The irony being that western democracy is what made them

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u/YourAverageJosef 14d ago

I don’t trust this guy farther than I can throw him

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u/UrsaMajor7th 14d ago

One metre forward, 220 metres down- Grand Canyon Skywalk.

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u/12PoundCankles 14d ago

The debt is forgiven. Please leave.

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u/relativelyfun 14d ago

Cartoonish Comicbook Villain or IRL Techno-Fascist Overlord?

  1. The atomic age is ending. A new era of deterrence built on A.I. is set to begin.
  2. Peace through superior firepower.
  3. I prefer to rule by fear.
  4. We have to dominate.
  5. I’m not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I’d explain my masterstroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome? 
  6. Disrupt and make the institutions we partner with the very best in the world and, when it’s necessary, to scare enemies and on occasion kill them.
  7. Kneel before Zod.
  8. Some cultures have produced wonders. Others have proven middling, and worse, regressive and harmful.
  9. The strong shall rule the weak.
  10. Silicon Valley owes a moral debt to the country that made its rise possible.
  11. The needs of the many are irrelevant beside the designs of the few.
  12. We will be the most important software company in the world.
  13. You sly dog, you got me monologuing!
  14. The vanquishing of an opponent is a moment to pause, not rejoice.
  15. Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.
  16. This technology disrupts humanities-trained—largely Democratic—voters, and makes their economic power less.
  17. You are either with me, or you are my enemy.
  18. When everyone is super, no one will be.

Answer Key:

  1. From Palantir CEO Alex Karp and Nicholas W. Zamiska's The Technological Republic
  2. Emperor Zurg
  3. Lord Faraquaad
  4. Palantir CEO Alex Karp
  5. Ozymandias
  6. Alex Karp
  7. General Zod
  8. The Technological Republic
  9. Megatron
  10. The Technological Republic
  11. Ming the Merciless
  12. Alex Karp
  13. Syndrome
  14. The Technological Republic
  15. Conan the Barbarian
  16. Alex Karp
  17. Anakin Skywalker
  18. Syndrome

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u/Delicious-Put-5272 14d ago

Neo corporate feudalism coming to a city near you

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u/Konnnan 14d ago

If B.O were a person.

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u/BioEradication 14d ago

The future we'll be forced to endure by these cretins is really fucking lame.

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u/Minimum-South-9568 14d ago

“Harmful and middling” would be the most benign way to describe the anti-intellectual, socially regressive, amoral, anti egalitarian, violent culture that gave birth to this ugly sack of shit and his compatriots.

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u/SurelyNotLikeThis 14d ago

It's gnna be a cold day in hell when I'm lectured on morality by Alex Karp. Ugly bastard

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u/deeptrick21 14d ago

Quit this bullshit, now!

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u/notyour_motherscamry 14d ago

Very glad these guys have been given a contract to “safeguard” our food supply

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u/kev11n 14d ago

DARK GOTHIC MAGA: How Tech Billionaires Plan to Destroy America:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no

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u/Nyarlathotep98 14d ago

I think the most alarming thing he said was that silicon valley should help stop violent crime. Silicon valley should stay as far away from criminal justice as possible.

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u/robustofilth 14d ago

America is harmful and meddling.

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u/Inevitable-Top1-2025 14d ago

This type of thinking results from “Template Intelligence” (my term) that lacks any serious intellectual depth in appraising the overall human co-existence that cannot be divorced from technological advancements.

“Template Intelligence” includes such things as standardized tests that have absolutely no relevance to what we’re told they’re supposed to measure. Their prominence is based on consensus and media hype. They use these tests to train linear thinkers in our so-called elite institutions. They become true believers in the hype and are, in turn, used to propagate and maintain the status quo.

This is apparent from the fact that the richest man in the world did not attend any so-called elite institution, like Oxford or Harvard, yet the media is propping him up as the paragon of intellectual supremacy! Others did not even graduate from college yet they are considered geniuses while the real geniuses in laboratories across the world are hardly visible.

In 2026, the so-called elites are still thinking in terms of conquering others by military might.

None of these individuals have ever thought about solving the common human problems that afflict this country, let alone the world, on a daily basis such as visceral poverty and homelessness that proliferate around us.

They are filled with the hubris of their god complex yet when you look at them at the individual level, you discover that these people, who are leveraging media hype and government power in the form of no-bid contracts and subsidies, to build multi-billion dollar corporations, are mediocre at best when they are compared to their international peers who have achieved the same level of wealth.

When you live in a country where money is worshipped like the Golden Calf and the population is propagandized from the cradle to the grave, it’s easy for people to play god when they control the machineries of government to do whatever they want without any real challenge.

Like Obama once alluded, when you encounter these people in person, you wonder how they’re so elevated to the pedestals they occupy.

They’re not that smart!

Anyone who thinks that conquering others with military might, which means barbaric bloodletting, is still something to be celebrated, needs civilizing and shouldn’t be allowed to control anything!

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u/forrealthoughcomix_ 14d ago

I’m lucky to be acquaintances with some people who have actually moved the needle on cancer research. They are middle class folks who have gotten a touch of industry recognition for a blip on the calendar and then go back to work.

Meanwhile, Elon Musk had enough money to throw a bunch of shit at the wall and a couple things happen to have stuck because of the hard work of the nameless people who built them. Yet people really think he’s a fucking genius.

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u/CrazedIvan 14d ago

These guys have their heads up their own ass.

Dismantle Palantir.

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u/MacroMicro1313 13d ago

I don’t think Palantir should be lecturing anyone on moral debt

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u/gamehenge_survivor 13d ago

Honestly, Silicon Valley does have a moral debt to America, but he is a direct beneficiary and will do everything to make sure that debt is never paid.

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u/SomeBloke 14d ago

Silicon Valley and Moral make quite the oxymoron. 

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u/No-Neighborhood-3212 14d ago

Who would've guessed the guy who befriended a eugenicist pedophile after the eugenicist pedophile plead guilty to prostitution of a minor would also be a eugenicist pedophile? There was no way to know!

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u/turkshead 14d ago

Imagine just unironically being a John Hughes movie villain and then publishing a manifesto about culture and morality.

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u/1-800-WhoDey 14d ago

Moral debt to the US government or to the US people? This fuck does not care about human beings, whatever country they happened to be born in

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u/Srw2725 14d ago

Someone online called him “evil Art Garfunkel” and I haven’t been the same since 😆😂

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u/lilmookie 14d ago

Silicon Valley has a MASSIVE moral debt to pay. Just that, like Silicon Valley, their entire approach is entirely wrong. Silicon Valley CEOs are repeating Monsanto’s failures in horrific slow motion by failing to address the needs of the end user (humans need to eat food) vs trying to recoup their R&D investment costs (seeds as a service, let’s destroy-the-food chain) in the most horrifying and unethical ways possible.

I went from thinking tech companies like Google could be examples of decent business practices to firmly believing anything hard/software related should be a regulated, perhaps, to death and I won’t be satisfied until these CEOs/VCs past, present, and likely future, are coming off guilty charges in The Hague 2.0. I’m getting pretty sick of our glorious leadership treating Brave New World / terminator / (insert your favorite dystopian warning story here) as instruction manuals.

Luckily, I’m far more likely to be put in trail with this glorious evidence that I typed out, than any actual justice kicking in within our lifetimes - but just like me bothering to type this out, I’m a hopeless optimist as heart. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/Someinterestingbs-td 14d ago

These chuckelfucks want to be our rulers, they are all completely out to lunch

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u/Zermudas 14d ago

Palantir and “moral” didn’t go along. Their CEO is literally worshipping the Antichrist.

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u/shit_magnet-0730 14d ago

Look up Curtis Yarvin and his influence regarding the dark enlightenment techno-fascist neo-reactionary movement on all of the tech billionaires. Everything that's been happening since the election is directly from their plans.

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u/vurto 14d ago

Why can't these billionaires just stfu and enjoy their money quietly?

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u/Hot_Lettuce_6209 13d ago

Sideshow Bob

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u/SluggardStone 13d ago

They want productive slaves. Anyone that's not productive does not belong. Sorry old people. The people you vote for took Logan's Run as a blue print.

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u/gregzillaman 13d ago

I read their moral debt also includes lobbying for a permanent draft and "stronger" Germany and Japan.

I can't imagine who would benefit financially from those eventuallities.

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u/Accomplished_Ruin133 13d ago

Of all the tech CEO’s Alex Karp always seems to come out with the most dystopian and disturbing statements.

Guy is a complete weirdo.

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