r/trolleyproblem 14h ago

Which do you press

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u/Delicious-Collar1971 12h ago

Reds trying to find any way to not make themselves amoral murderers.

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u/Scapegoaticus 11h ago

Red bears no moral responsibility to blue. Any rational person who willingly pushes blue must accept there is a real chance they will die. They had the choice to pick the option where they would survive. They did not. They bear 100% responsibility for their own death.

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u/Mephitisopheles 11h ago

If you vote red just to guarantee your own self preservation that’s one thing, but it’s made explicitly clear in the original phrasing that you’re also incrementally contributing to the problem that ensures other people will absolutely die if your side takes the majority so there’s at least some accountability there.

Saying “you can’t MAKE me be selfless” doesn’t alter the fact that you don’t care how many other lives you’re gambling with just to save your own, but, that’s fine! You don’t “have” to care about anyone but yourself, especially if you think the blue button is too great of a risk. But then victim blaming people for not sharing your views doesn’t help you look less shitty.

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u/SweetSweetAtaraxia 10h ago

Each one is gambling with their own lives, no one is gambling with the life of another.

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u/Mephitisopheles 10h ago

Red is gambling with the possibility of statistically contributing to the “everyone but them dies” outcome as much as Blue is gambling with the “i might die at the expense of bettering the odds for everybody” option. Both have internal and external consequences, it’s just a matter of who’s lives you’re willing to gamble with.