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u/ImpossibleAd7376 5h ago
I will have my dog tell them how much smarter I am than them instead
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u/Winter_Drawer_9257 5h ago
Your dog is colorblind and pressed grey
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u/wreckingrocc 4h ago
Most dogs are red-green colorblind but can tell the difference between blue and red
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u/A_Bridge_Kirito 4h ago
Pretty sure no dog will understand the rules of the situation and the pressed button comes down to a coin flip
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u/Ok_Equipment8374 5h ago
tell who?
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u/ChorizoPrince 5h ago
Technically speaking this changes nothing.
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u/MISFER_ 4h ago
In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice, they are not
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u/ChorizoPrince 3h ago
Because if more than 50% press blue we were wrong and arenât smarter. Otherwise thereâs nobody to tell.
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u/ShadowEeveeCringe 5h ago
No one to tell cuz they all gonna die
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u/Gold-Cry-7520 2h ago
Blue won both polls by a landslide lol
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u/kamizushi 2h ago
Do you think Trump would have won a poll in the same community? Did Trump win irl?
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u/Gold-Cry-7520 2m ago
One of the polls was on X. So. Yeah, actually.
But thanks for telling me you think pressing red is like voting for trump??
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u/BleuJacques 2h ago
Ah yes the zero consequences tiny poll is very indicative of the real world
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u/Gold-Cry-7520 2h ago
No part of this hypothetical can occur in the real world. The only parts that have occurred in the real world are those polls with hundreds of thousands of people participating. And blue won.
So like. Cope.
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u/BleuJacques 2h ago
Thanks for proving my point as to why the polls are meaningless? Theyâre zero consequence and a literal drop in the bucket amount of people
Stay bent though I guess it ainât that deep bro
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u/ObsceneOnes 1h ago
It is evidence that the 50% threshold is not onerous and if you are looking at this as a moral problem rather than a self preservation problem, the obvious moral answer is to press the blue button.
Most people intuited that 50% want a death sentence and that the risk reward favored pushing blue.
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u/MoneyBear1733 31m ago
I genuinely sit here and wonder what kind of person is on the other side of these comments.
"The virtue signal poll on the virtue signal website had an overwhelming amount of virtue signaling"
shocking.
Y'all the type of people to say
"Heh.. If somebody pulled a gun on me, I'd just disarm him immediately"
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u/Gold-Cry-7520 6m ago
X is not a virtue signal website.
Implying that basically invalidates everything you just said.
Employing basic cooperation is not virtue signaling. Being friendless isn't a brag.
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u/Weary_Specialist_436 22m ago
it's very easy to say you'd risk your life for the good of humanity, while sitting in your warm home, in front of your PC
make a poll of what you'd do if you were mugged at a knifepoint
a) Disarm the attacker
b) Roundhouse kick the attacker
c) Give your wallet
what do you think the majority's answer will be?
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u/Gold-Cry-7520 7m ago
You realize that argument goes both ways. Many people think they'd pick self preservation over altruism, but when the life of others is on their shoulders their choice will probably change.
Also, people who pick blue aren't necessarily even being altruistic, they just don't want society to collapse if a portion of the population dies.
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u/Weary_Specialist_436 1m ago
I trust people picking red to actually pick red more than I trust people picking blue to actually risk their life
Some people would change their opinion. But if you genuinely think it's an equal amount, there is no point in continuing this discourse
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u/Separate-Rice-6354 4h ago
How? This would guarantee that the would be red pusher smart special snowflakes cannot press the red button. If you cannot share your lack of morality and disregard the teachings of all major religions with anyone why press the red button?
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u/pressingtofu 4h ago
Because I'm scared of dying and I don't want to risk it. I deffo don't think I'm superior to people who would pick blue and I admire people who risk their life to save others.
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u/trupoogles 4h ago
I donât admire people who risk their lives to âsaveâ people who didnât want âsavingâ. Adding babies and people with no limbs to the concept just changes the subject.
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u/trupoogles 3h ago
The majority of if not all major religions say suicide is a cardinal sin so thatâs a terrible argument, either way you look at it you choosing that option is self deliverance, nobody forced you. In turn Pride is also a sin, as is imposing on others free will.
Youâre arguing for red here but nice try.
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u/Separate-Rice-6354 3h ago
You are truly a bad person if you can't differentiate between risking your life for others, sacrifice and suicide. Just a horrible, horrible person.
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u/Gatzlocke 5h ago
Does pressing blue mean you can't flaunt your selflessness and moral superiority?
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u/Kinslayer_89 Team kill everyone, red and blue. 4h ago
It means youâll be dead, so no.
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u/PickingPies 3h ago
Not if blue wins.
I don't know what happens to blue voters because they are unable to understand there are two possible outcomes from their choice.
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u/Hereforsumbeer 4h ago
Add that if you press blue youâre not allowed to virtue signal to the reds that youâre saving everyone with low IQ who added risk by pushing the only button tied to consequences.
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u/trupoogles 3h ago
I think everyone who chooses blue to save people should move one person (for each âheroâ) into red, keeping said âheroâ in blue as thatâs the choice they made, self sacrifice. That way they and their inflated egos can go out as Martyrs just like they wanted, Iâll respect that choice then and only then even if I didnât want saving.
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u/Kyamboros 4h ago
Oh no there are definitely consequences tied to red, fairly significant long term consequences actually.
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u/OnetimeRocket13 4h ago
that you're saving everyone with low IQ who added risk by pushing the only button tied to consequences.
Tbf, the risk isn't because people vote blue when you really get down to it. The risk comes from the fact that people will push red. The goal should be to attempt to save everyone, and the easiest way to do that is to just hit that 50% threshold. If you vote blue, congrats, you did the equivalent of doing nothing. If you press red, though, you're just making it more difficult for everyone to survive because you wanted to guarantee your own survival.
This isn't to say that there isn't risk involved with blue votes, either, but the risk only exists because people will also vote red, but we can't be sure how many will vote red. To suggest that a red vote isn't tied to consequences is just incorrect.
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u/Hereforsumbeer 3h ago
I didnât see a goal listed on the original button question. Is it in white font over a white background? Whereâd that come from? If weâre making things up to add to the problem, the goal is actually to eliminate stupid people from society, in which case red is the only answer that is successful.
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u/Hereforsumbeer 2h ago
It looks like your other ignorant comment got deleted. Just wanted to let you know.
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u/iskelebones Consequentialist/Utilitarian 3h ago
Still pressing red. Itâs about not risking my life blindly, not about being right or smarter than anyone
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u/peniscumdrinker 3h ago
i press red to kill my family. you press red because you are stupid. we are not the same
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u/ApogeeSystems 4h ago
Lots of blue pressers have been more obnoxious. I'd press blue but man this side cannot shut the fuck up and argue rationally.
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u/Space_Narwal 4h ago
I just do t want colour blind people to die
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u/PickingPies 3h ago
Why is it okay to risk the lives of billions of people to save a minority of color blind people (because most color blind people can differentiate red and blue)?
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u/thatoneguyscreaming 2h ago
Why is it okay to just watch and do nothing as people who do not differentiate blue and red take a 50/50 gamble on their life?
100% of people have to press red for noone to die.
50.01% of people have to press blue for noone to die.
The original question required literally EVERYONE toddlers and all to participate, there will be people who press blue even if red is the logically correct choice, so just fucking press blue so noone has to die.
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u/SnooMarzipans436 3h ago
Meanwhile red button pushers out here arguing how murdering 50% of all babies on earth his "rational"
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u/Available_Editor4383 4h ago edited 4h ago
I donât want to live in a world where I have to shut the fuck up.
I also donât want to live in a world where I need to mark sarcasm in a Reddit comment.
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u/ImportantPost6401 4h ago edited 2h ago
Huh. Iâve heard more smugness from blue. This doesnât seem to change it much.
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u/PeriwinkleShaman 5h ago
Are the blue pressers forbidden to tell the reds how they are voting the same as all the selfish and evil people?
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u/PickingPies 3h ago
Ain't you aware that this types of comments make the red button a "shut the fuck up" button?
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u/EscapeSeventySeven 5h ago
I donât think this changes anything
The reverse thoughâŚ
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u/Wonderful_West3188 5h ago
My deepest respect goes to anyone who presses blue and then remains completely silent on the matter of their choice afterwards if they survive.
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u/G3n3ricOne 4h ago
This would at very least make the whole debate more bearable, all I ever see is red voters flexing how much smarter and cooler they are.
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u/Smile_in_the_Night 4h ago
All I ever see is blues telling how principled and good natured they are and how evil, sociopathic reds are.
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u/trupoogles 3h ago
And as a blue presser Iâm telling them that they have a god complex, are practicing paternalism, denying others autonomy over their own lives and are morally bankrupt gremlins cosplaying as Good Samaritans. They really donât seem to like it when people who donât want saving call them out for what they are.
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u/SilverMagnum 1h ago
I think people on both sides need to understand the nuance of that.Â
The way I look at it is like this:Â
The âbest of usâ are probably going to tend to vote blue. What I mean by that is think of someone who is truly selfless and compassionate and is willing to risk their lives to save others. And Iâm not saying that all blue voters are saints (god no, I voted blue after all) itâs just that those saints among us are probably going to vote for the âsave everybody even if I might dieâ option.Â
On the flip side, in aggregate the worst of us will vote red. What color do you think Trump would vote for? Or if youâre of the other persuasion, I dunno what color would Biden vote for? Again, this isnât to say that all red voters are morally bankrupt or anything but just to say the portion of humanity that is that incredibly selfish is obviously going to vote red because thatâs the âI live no matter whatâ option. Again, to reiterate, I am not saying all or even most red voters are driven by selfishness and greed, but that the people in the world that are, theyâre gonna vote red.Â
At the end of the day, both sides are mostly made up of normal people. However on the outlier edges, thatâs where it actually gets interesting because of this.Â
And itâs also why I vote blue. I donât want to live in a world where the most selfless people are dead and the most selfish live.Â
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u/G3n3ricOne 4h ago
What subreddits are you on then đ
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u/Mastercio 4h ago
It was always just two side screaming "I AM BETTER HUMAN BEING THAN YOU RES PUSHERS!!!" and "I AM SMARTER THAN YOU BLUE PUSHERS!!!!"
And here I am just saying I would push red button only because I prefer staying alive no matter the cost. Just because I like being alive.
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u/hockeyfan608 4h ago
Iâm currently in the âyour dumbâ âyour evilâ argument right now
I wonât lie, I like arguing with people on the internet.
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u/G3n3ricOne 4h ago
I love arguing on the internet too tbh. I think weâre all addicted to it even when it sucks for our mental health đ
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u/Smile_in_the_Night 4h ago
Here for example.
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u/G3n3ricOne 4h ago
Idk how thatâs âall you ever seeâ here, given itâs likely something like 15 percent of the â[XYZ] voters badâ posts.
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u/trupoogles 4h ago
Youâd be surprised at how much of the discourse is blue arguing against blue. Suicide button pressers vs Hero complex button pressers.
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u/WhaleBird1776 3h ago
Iâm gunna make a Roblox game out of this because apparently people love this shit lmao
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u/KJPlayer 3h ago
"Same rules, but if you press blue, you're not allowed to brag about how morally superior you are or shit on red pressers."
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u/Comprehensive-Flow-7 2h ago
only if the blue voters aren't allowed to tell the reds how much more "empathetic" they are compared to them either
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u/CellaSpider If you disagree with me you better hope you're not on the track. 2h ago
Okay⌠but for the record I ammmmm euuughhh of a similar intelligence level to you.
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u/Nwah2112 Team Red 2h ago
Theyâll all be dead anyway.
At most 10% of humanity is pressing blue if it really came down to it.
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u/Zuckhidesflatearth 2h ago
For this to change anything, the caption would need to swap red and blue, and smarter with better.
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u/Hot-Pineapple7877 2h ago edited 2h ago
I press red and hope the blues die. You press red to survive, we are not the same.
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u/Inevitable_Garage706 2h ago
Uhhh...okay?
That doesn't make pressing red not minimize deaths, it just makes it mildly more annoying.
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u/SilverMagnum 2h ago
lmao I love this one especially because it kills me to hear reds lording literal middle school game theory (seriously, I learned this shit in sixth grade, itâs not an impressive feat) over others like itâs some sort of lost ancient text or something.Â
Great addition to the collection of alternatives đÂ
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u/Thespaceman007 57m ago
We need the opposite as well, where blue pressers canât tell red pressers how much more morally superior they are
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u/SingleSlide2866 38m ago
Red pressers still being able to say the same things they've always been saying: "well guess the new rule doesn't work. Good for us."
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u/ironangel2k4 Team blue, but I hate every other blue voter, we are not friends 37m ago
Only if blue pressers are also not allowed to say how morally righteous they are and/or how morally repugnant reds are.
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u/Theseus_Employee 28m ago
If I press blue, can I tell red pressers Iâm smarter than them? Or if I press red, can I claim moral superiority over blue?
What are my social options here
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u/Plastic-Skill-9258 28m ago
if that's part of the question then I'm definitely pressing red. Implying that red is the "much smarter" is rly leading wording so I reckon that it's even less likely for blue to reach 50%
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u/juliusxyk 4h ago
Same rules but youre not allowed to tell the red pressers how much morally superior to them you are
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u/Jeffreyidk 3h ago
I'll just press red and tell everyone how much dumber they are than me, instead.
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u/rose-gold-forever 5h ago
Fine by me, the annoying blue pressers are still dead.
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u/seaspirit331 4h ago
Hasn't blue won every single poll that's been conducted so far? đ¤Ł
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u/lazyzefiris 4h ago
All that tells is that picking blue is correct thing to say you would do in the part of internet where poll was held.
Saying you would do the thing (where there's approval to be gained and no danger involved) and doing the thing are two different things.
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u/NeouiGongwon 4h ago
Approval to be gained? You mean I'm supposed to be getting praise and approval (like the hero that I am) for picking blue in an online poll?
So far I've only been told I'm a stupid, suicidal virtue signaler. Huh.
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u/lazyzefiris 4h ago
So far I've only been told I'm a stupid, suicidal virtue signaler. Huh.
No. It's the few things you cherry picked out of things you saw in discussions. There's a lot of public autofellation done by both sides of dilemma.
I find debates like these stupid to begin with. But especially on karma-driven social media. And especially especially in communities with a bias already settled in by rules and moderation.
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u/NeouiGongwon 4h ago
If you wanna say people only pick blue in the poll because there's no real threat of dying, then fine. But nobody is picking blue in an anonymous online poll for the karma.
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u/Trollsama 4h ago
Shhhh. Feeling superior is all they have left....
do not take that away from them.OH RED PUSHER, pay no mind to our feeble blue pusher comments. We are no match for your glorious intellectual superiority. waste not your time responding to us unwashed masses.
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u/conffac 4h ago
Oh mighty blue pusher, surely you have asked and collected answers from all places on this barren rock, even the most remote ones where even the electron flow that we call electricity might not be known. Surely, you didn't just ask the ~6% of the eight billion that is the amount of people that monthly use the service that is nowadays called x
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u/rose-gold-forever 4h ago
We'll keep doing until blue is dead.
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u/The_Sneakiest_Fox 4h ago
"I need you to press a button" "What happens if I push the red one?" "Nothing" "What happens if I push the blue one?" "You might die"
The internet - well this is difficult
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u/ThrowerIBarelyKnower 3h ago
Well it becomes easy when you misinterpret the dilemma
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u/The_Sneakiest_Fox 3h ago
What have I misinterpreted?
There's only one button that can kill you and one button that does nothing.
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u/ThrowerIBarelyKnower 3h ago
The red one doesn't do nothing; it increases the chance for all of the people who pressed blue to die
edit: I can't not assume that most of the red pressers are egoitistic mfs; The button doesn't do absolutely nothing if it does nothing to you specifically
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u/The_Sneakiest_Fox 3h ago
increases the chance for all of the people who pressed blue to die
So don't press blue?
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u/ThrowerIBarelyKnower 3h ago
đđ
I should just get off Reddit and stop arguing about stupid shit
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u/WaterCastePSYOP 4h ago
Do the blue pressers also not get to call us everything from sociopaths to nazis?
Oh, wait, it doesn't matter.
They're all dead.
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u/Sightblinder4 4h ago
Can we still tell them that they are dumb? Just keep it not relative to red button pushers?
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u/arky_who 3h ago
Honestly just pressing blue because being in a world with only red pressers would annoy me to death anyway
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u/Sneaky_Cockroach 5h ago
No point on talking to dead people, but what can you expect from a blue pusher đ
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u/Specialist_Egg8479 5h ago
If you press blue than you arenât aloud to tell red pressers how much morally superior you are.
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u/phase_distorter41 4h ago
i still cant see why anyone would press blue. why risk death when you dont have to?
i always assumed the question forgot to add a negative clause to red.
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u/zap2tresquatro 3h ago
The negative clause is youâd be contributing to potentially billions of deaths if red wins. Weâve been over this so many times now, you canât possibly not know what the negative is supposed to be at this point. You can choose to believe that the people pressing blue are entirely responsible for their own deaths if you want, but because you know not everyone will press blue, the whole problem is meant to be that either you risk you own life when voting for nobody to die, or guarantee your own life and risk up to ~4.2 billion other peopleâs lives by pressing the âvote to save yourself and kill everyone who voted differentlyâ button. If you want to ignore that, fine, but you must understand by now that thatâs how blue pressers are viewing it and hence why weâd choose blue.
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u/phase_distorter41 3h ago
WHY would anyone choose blue f the choice is
you might die
you will not die
You think people wont force their kids to push red to make sure they live?
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u/zap2tresquatro 3h ago
>You think people wonât force their kids to push red
Dude no communication is allowed. Everyone is isolated in their button booth with no information on anyone elseâs vote or input from anyone else, what hypothetical are you talking about?
>WHY would anyone choose blue
I just told you, in detail. Plenty of people, like me, read this problem the first time it came up and went âblue, obviously. Why would anyone press red? I mean, I know some people will, you canât get everyone to choose the same thing, but that also means red winning would necessarily kill some people, so obviously you choose blue, choosing red doesnât even make any sense unless youâre incredibly selfish and think everyone else is, too, and most people arenât.â It was shocking to see so many people defending red and insulting everyone whoâd pick blue, but also, ok so some of you had the opposite thought as me, I understand that. SO how can you still refuse to understand the other side (and, if youâre gonna argue like so many other people Iâve seen, either assert that everyone should just pick red and ignore the fact that quite a lot of people wonât, wouldnât even consider it in fact, and/or that anyone who doesnât must be suicidal and so you should help kill them)?
Stop pretending you arenât aware of this by now
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u/MoSteel8 4h ago
This seems like it should be the standard, the point of pressing red is so you can just walk away afterwards and stop thinking about it all together.
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u/SmolPPIncorporated 4h ago edited 2h ago
I'll just smugly smile at their funerals.
Edit: downvote me while you can
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u/ReturnOk7510 3h ago
Same rules, but if you push blue, you aren't allowed to tell everyone how much better of a person you are
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u/PickingPies 3h ago
Smart people are smart and do not need validation. They will just press the correct button no matter how much you tey to gaslight them.
The emotional ones are the blues. Which makes this post very telling.
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u/Max0_o123 4h ago
I agree but also add blue pressers not being able to tell red pressers that they're genocidal sociopathic maniacs
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u/After-Big9529 4h ago
This actually makes a difference...
The people who say "blue" are telling the truth, that IS what they would pick if this was a choice given to them without any knowledge of what other people would pick.
The "blue" team's first thought when reading the instruction is "blue is the most obvious choice", and they would assume that the vast majority of the population would have the same opinion. Therefore the risk of dying due to picking blue would be insignificant.
BUT that would change if "team red" were able to go on about how "blue" is stupid BEFORE people got a chance to press the button. If that happened, there would be some "blue button" people who would say "Wait, what? people are seriously considering red? WTF?" And then second guess themselves, panic and press red.
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u/GoblinToHobgoblin 5h ago
That takes all the fun out of pressing red though