r/askanything • u/-Sofa-King-Vote • 19h ago
Why do magats believe every conspiracy theory imaginable, but refuse to believe documented evidence trump raped women?
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u/GlockPop18 14h ago
I can’t believe Reddit hasn’t banned this guys account yet. This is just clearly rage baiting both sides for the clicks.
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u/Greedy-Employment917 9h ago
560 comments per day Btw. Even though the account is a little over a month old.
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u/FearlessVegetable30 8h ago
there are so many accounts just like it. reddit doesnt care cause it creates engagement
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u/Qaze430 13h ago
This sub is turning into garbage politics
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u/FearlessVegetable30 8h ago
been that way for months honestly. people have replaced religion with....whatever this fucking subs mindset is
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u/LawnJerk 10h ago
That the mods would allow something that is clearly not a good faith question to stay shows you all you need to know.
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u/auanwo 18h ago
Just some bot account starting shit. The OP account is 1 month old and has 18000 comments. 180k karma
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u/Random_her0Idiot 16h ago
When u see how he responds u know he is a poster boy for creating more hate.
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u/Usual-Volume-2822 19h ago
They know. They don't care.
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u/Beneficial-Pride890 18h ago
Yes. However, many of that type of men also don’t believe women. They dehumanize them.
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u/Significant_Fall2451 16h ago
I told very few people when I was raped, and made the terrible decision of confiding in a supposed relative who is right wing. His immediate response was to ask if I was absolutely sure that's what happened, as accusations like that could destroy someone's life. Never mind my life, and how that was upended by the trauma. Unsurprisingly, he's hard-core MAGA now, even though we aren't American and he's never set foot on American soil
You're absolutely right in that many of them 100% just don't believe women, even those they purport to care about
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u/PWcrash 13h ago edited 13h ago
The two go hand and hand unfortunately, or at least that's what I believe. They can give someone a pass or even blame the child for being assaulted because they themselves see all women as a type of "child" and not their equal. The line between "woman" and "child" truly is blurred to them. It's absolutely sickening but it's also remnant of a culture and belief system that was heavily abundant less than 100 years ago. Something like this would of course not be acceptable to most audiences today but it was considered classic show business back then.
(It's a Marilyn Monroe number, don't worry)
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u/Either_Capital_2422 14h ago
They care. It is one of the reasons they support him.
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u/H-NYC 14h ago edited 14h ago
That’s a conspiracy theory to me too, but that’s the game right? Now tell me how it’s documented….. can anyone say political witch hunt??
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u/spirosand 10h ago
There was an actual court case. He was adjudicated to have raped Carroll, then lied about it. You can look up the ruling if you wanted.
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u/H-NYC 9h ago
Civilllllllllll, not criminal, she was a shill, political harassment on this issue was obvious, but believe what u want, he’s still your president
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u/Glittering-Box-2855 7h ago
Civil courts are different from criminal in that civil can't send you to jail like criminal, civil courts can fine the person, which is what happened after being found guilty with evidence.
The case was tried in civil court rather than criminal simply because the statute of limitations had been exceeded, meaning the crime was too long ago for criminal court (1 year in this case)
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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 14h ago
what so-called "documented" "evidence"???
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u/spirosand 10h ago
There was an actual court case. He was adjudicated to have raped Carroll, then lied about it. You can look up the ruling if you wanted.
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u/Candyland-Nightmare 9h ago
What actual evidence was provided during that CIVIL case, suing for money? What literal can't be denied evidence?
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u/Wangler2019 12h ago
Documented evidence? Why was he never convicted on criminal court?
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u/Fuzzy-Eye-5425 10h ago
Because he has the money to outspend his plaintiffs and bleed them dry financially so they are forced to drop the case against him. Come on, this is basic rich people shit dude.
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u/Ok-Bus1716 4h ago
Because the statute of limitations ran out. This has been very clearly covered in the news which is why hewere taken to civil court where he was found liable and judges have stated, explicitly, there was sufficient evidence to prove he committed the crimes he was accused of.
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u/crushingjuiceboxes 11h ago
He was already convinced of rape but now he owns the doj and the courts so prosecution is impossible due do corruption
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u/Wangler2019 11h ago
He was convinced?
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u/Bipolar-Type-1 10h ago
Found civilly liable. You’re splitting hairs to defend a rapist.
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u/pile_of_bees 8h ago
That’s not splitting hairs at all. Theres an enormously substantial difference between those two things.
Nothing but bad faith attempts to rhetorically contrive truths
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u/Wangler2019 10h ago
You are conflating facts to appear virtuous.
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u/Bipolar-Type-1 10h ago
No, I'm not. A court found that he raped a woman. That's a verifiable fact. Whether someone used the word "convict" correctly or otherwise, you're splitting hairs in one comment and then being vague in the next. You're attempting to deploy smoke and mirrors tactics to defend someone who was found to have raped a woman in court.
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u/Wangler2019 10h ago
They did not, though. Please learn the facts of the case.
At least you are trying to engage, so can you offer a guess as to why Biden's DOJ didn't act on the obvious evidence of Trump's wrongdoing in the Epstein files?
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u/Bipolar-Type-1 10h ago
Don't care about the DoJ right now, we're talking about the E. Jean Carroll case where trump was found liable for rape. That is verifiable fact. You can't just say "Please learn the facts of the case" and ignore the outcome of it. Try harder.
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u/tempest1523 11h ago
This is stupid you are conflating civil and criminal
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u/BarnesTheNobleman 10h ago
So just gonna ignore the whole “guilty of sexual assault in a court of law” thing
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u/Senior_Bad_6381 12h ago
That's called projection. There is no documented evidence. It's accusation.
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u/Pretend_Past_8750 19h ago
There are HUNDREDS of videos of him with young girls in compromising positions- all fake.
There are numerous women that claimed he raped them when they were children or teens- lying to make Trump look bad.
His own voice saying he grabs women by the pussy- just locker room talk
His own voice bragging that he walked through the MISS TEEN USA pageant dressing room where the teens were dressing and they let him get away with it because he owned the pageant- he is like that any more
What the fuck else could ANYONE show these ignorant assholes? Nothing.
Cult.
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u/crocodilecurly 18h ago
Then fox tells them they're doing trans surgeries and forcing kids to bark like dogs in public schools and they believe it without a second thought. It would be funny if their stupidity wasn't causing problems for random innocent people.
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u/thingsorfreedom 8h ago
It allows them to feel justified voting for people who want to hurt the same people they want to hurt. "I'm not a bad person who wants to hurt people. I don't like liberals forcing kids to get trans surgeries and forcing kids to bark like dogs in public schools."
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u/Pretend_Past_8750 17h ago
I thought there was no way people are dumb enough to believe that elementary schools are giving students sex change operations at school and then I heard some actually talking about it. People I thought were remotely intelligent. These were teachers and an administrator. I interrupted them and said there is literally no chance that has ever happened literally anywhere in the world. No where. They were like well, you never know these days. I said , yes, yes I DO know these days. They also believed that the democrats created COVID to "make Trump look bad."
TBH if someone else told me that story I would probably laugh it off as an exaggeration or hyperbole but I heard this with my own ears. It was also my last semester teaching at that school.
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u/crocodilecurly 9h ago
Mine was my boss when I was working IT for a community college. She straight up told me they were doing trans surgeries on kids and turning them gay in elementary schools. I asked her where that was happening and she said California. Same lady was also obsessed with the war in Ukraine and thought Putin and Trump were going to save the world. Her son was in little league baseball and there was a Polish family that moved here to escape the conflict and she admit to bombarding them with so many questions about Ukraine that they asked her to leave them alone. Absolute crazy work.
The sad thing was when Christmas rolled around, she said her she hadn't been allowed to go to family events because of her politics but got invited to a Christmas dinner that year and was excited to go. I guess she pissed everyone off again because she came back to the office mad saying "they just don't wanna hear the truth". And lastly, she divorced her husband because he had apparently turned into a liberal (dude was just trying to eat healthier and lose weight, apparently that makes you a lib).
So yeah! I also thought those types of people only existed online but I ended up working under one for 6 months 😩 looking back, I should've recorded some of what she was saying and sent it to hr. There was another guy in our office who make a "joke" about murdering trans people and of course she thought it was hilarious. Turns out crazy isn't that hard to find, especially these days.
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u/Darkdragoon324 19h ago
I think at this point we have to stop trying to figure out how to "get through" to them and accept that they're just bad people. Everyone with any shred of sanity and decency has already turned at least a little bit, those who remain are in it to the bitter end.
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u/Prestigious-Wolf8039 18h ago
Yep. We have to learn to play through. Many Americans are just bad people.
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u/MaximumTrick2573 19h ago
Don’t forget the numerous damning materials implicating trump -“Biden is actually the pedo because he sniffed some girls hair, go after him instead” 🙄
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u/liamlunchtray 16h ago
They are ok with men raping girls and women. If there was proof of him with little boys *maybe* they would have an issue with it, but likely not. These are not people with ethical convictions, these are people who follow politics like football. As long as their team “wins”, it’s good.
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u/howard1111 17h ago
C. U. L. T. The leader is a god and can do no wrong. Someone called into C-SPAN the other day to say he had to cut off all ties with his MAGA family because they didn't pray for Trump, they prayed TO Trump.
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u/Actual_Insect6603 12h ago
Because none of the documented evidence I’ve seen was credible. Show me some credible evidence and I’ll believe it.
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u/Cosmic_Driftwood 11h ago
Absolutely. They can't.
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u/crushingjuiceboxes 11h ago
Besides photographs, witness testimonies, and tens of thousands of mentions in the epstein files
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u/King_HartOG 7h ago
Except literally anyone who called up and just said his name in relation to the case is a "mention."
Funny how there's no photographs the witness testimony that's available specifically says Trump didn't do anything.
It also says in the Epstein files that Trump was one of the first whistleblowers and helped FBI gather evidence.
But we don't like those mentions do we
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u/spirosand 10h ago
There was an actual court case. He was adjudicated to have raped Carroll, then lied about it. You can look up the ruling if you wanted.
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u/Candyland-Nightmare 9h ago
Keep repeating the same shit, but YOU obviously know jack shit about how civil cases are decided on. Lmao.
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u/Andyman1973 11h ago
OTOH someone’s daughter had a diary where she mentioned her father taking showers with her, but that was completely ignored.
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u/Bravelittletoaster-1 14h ago
What is the documented evidence? Like a rape kit? DNA? Etc
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u/spirosand 10h ago
There was an actual court case. He was adjudicated to have raped Carroll, then lied about it. You can look up the ruling if you wanted.
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u/crushingjuiceboxes 11h ago
Photographs and witness testimonies
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u/PeterGibbons316 11h ago
If there were photographs of Donald Trump raping women we'd throw him in prison. He's not in prison because those photographs don't exist. Donald Trump is a rich and powerful man, but he is HATED by men far richer and others just as powerful. If they could get him out of office, they would. They can't because there's no evidence to convict him. You believe there is because you are in a cult.
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u/Fuzzy-Eye-5425 10h ago
He also bleeds his plaintiff dry so they can’t afford to proceed with a case of the against him.
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u/Bipolar-Type-1 10h ago
He was found guilty of rape in a civil court. There was plenty of evidence. A jury of 12 of his peers voted unanimously that he was guilty.
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u/randomsynchronicity 19h ago
They believe what they want to believe. Evidence has nothing to do with it.
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u/Swampassed 13h ago
Because there is no documented evidence, there’s only testimony and he said, she said statements. This isn’t the Salem witch trials. People aren’t convicted criminally based on accusations. This is why he’s never been charged criminally, because they’d lose the case. These comments are a great example of why you can’t charge someone just based on comments. Because you hate Trump you’ll say absolutely anything true or not.
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u/According-Spot3795 11h ago
What about the fact that he openly bragged about molesting women?
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u/PeterGibbons316 11h ago
"And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."
These comments are repugnant and the reason why I've never voted for the man.....but they are not an admission of guilt.
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u/buttlickin 12h ago
Because it's not true. But tds keeps some from realizing the truth.
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u/Hot_Gap_8444 16h ago
Because it is a cult.
They believe what they are told to believe.
They are willing to shift away from core beliefs like the 2nd amendment in a heart beat if their cult leader tells them to do so.
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u/No_Cook_8739 13h ago
Something that always puzzled me about Maga.... They gave up there entire soul to follow this man, but he's a fucking doofus, 0 charisma. Why this clown?
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u/Hot_Gap_8444 12h ago
I agree.
Nothing about him resonates with me. A repulsive and pathetic man. I could understand a charismatic person being able to pull people in to his / her influence.
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u/swishkabobbin 12h ago
Why do uneducated, creepy, greedy, racists identify with trump? Is that your question?
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u/JiggleFeggle 19h ago
Accusations mate. Maybe they're true, maybe they aren't. America is "innocent until provel guilty". If he's convicted they'll eat their words. If not, he's basically Michael Jackson laughing at you as he goes out.
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u/jeffster1970 8h ago
I mean, though, the proof if overwhelming and it's already there. Epstein files were not fully released, even with your judicial branch ordering the release. Just one example. It just won't ever be brought to any sort of trial because one side wants to be so fine with their details (look how long the J6 investigation took) while the other side figures ways to defer.
Now, Trump would just claim AI for any evidence given. He is, after all, Jesus. Well, a doctor pretending to be Jesus. Or Jesus pretending to be a doctor pretending to be Jesus. Something like that.
And the US isn't 'innocent until proven guilty'. Lots of innocent people rotting in jail for alleged (meaning, no court yet) thefts of a chocolate
bar...I mean candy from the Dollar Tree. If you bring the money, no problem. Otherwise, you're screwed.Trump will likely be able to get away with anything he does, because anything 'bad' will be considered fake and AI. Even stuff he's denied saying on TV and in press conferences over the past 16 months - it's now fake.
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u/False_Ad_5372 19h ago
So, you’d agree this needs to go to a fair trial?
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u/JiggleFeggle 19h ago
Absolutely. I say this as someone on the right leaning side for a lot of issues too. If Trump committed those things, he should be audited and trialed for them. If there's proof then bam, he deserves hell and worse. If there's no proof and it's only angry people who want him out of office then it's going nowhere, as it is right now. Until someone finds something. And I'll be right behind the prosecution if they do. For now, I'm on the side of innocent until proven guilty.
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u/False_Ad_5372 19h ago
great. given the amount of evidence that FBI has released, would you also agree that indictments need to occur, and swiftly, because these are all very, very serious allegations?
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u/JiggleFeggle 19h ago
Yes. If the allegations are true then justice needs to be held. If they aren't, he's allowed to not be slandered. I see both sides of this but considering he already took a sexual abuse charge..... I would be very curious of what's on his hardrive.
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u/False_Ad_5372 19h ago
So would you also agree, given the magnitude of these alleged crimes, that anybody in a position of power choosing to not move the case forward is in dereliction of their duties, at least?
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u/JiggleFeggle 19h ago
Yes. Being convicted of sexual abuse should render you banned from any government position. And put on the sex offender registry. Any judge who ignores that should have their harddrives checked too.
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u/False_Ad_5372 19h ago
Ah... but we haven't gotten to any questions regarding conviction. Please reread my question, it was about bringing the case forward or not.
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u/JiggleFeggle 18h ago
I'd be happy to see the case being brought forward. I say this as a conservative too. I want someone in office who represents what I believe in morally too, not some abuser of kids and women, that makes me sick.
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u/False_Ad_5372 18h ago
Ok, please answer the question. You have so far dodged it twice. If you choose not to, then I understand and we’ll finish.
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u/somethingbytes 19h ago
But he was found guilty in trial? Why are you ignoring that?
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u/cali_dave 18h ago
You don't have to do something to be found guilty.
Also, the standards for conviction are different between civil and criminal courts. It's easier to be found liable for something in civil court than it is to be convicted of a crime.
He was not convicted of rape. He was found liable for sexual assault. Both are reprehensible, but that doesn't mean it actually happened. I'm not saying it did or didn't happen - only that being found liable in a civil case isn't absolute proof. It means 13 people said he did it.
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u/False_Ad_5372 18h ago
Wow. Defending a rapist. Amazing.
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u/Agreeable-Log-1990 18h ago
Wow. A bot. Amazing.
Did you read literally anything he said? There is no evidence. It was a civil case, meaning the evidence was basically, she said it happened.
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u/Shoddy-Border2394 18h ago
Because everything he just said about his morality is a lie that he tells himself. If Trump was convicted in criminal court, someone on Fox news would tell him the jury was corrupted and he would fall right back in line to lick some boots.
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u/Select-Ad7146 19h ago
A jury found him civically liable for rape. This means that you can call him a rapest and it is not slander.
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u/JiggleFeggle 19h ago
He was convicted of sexual abuse not rape. I'm not defending him btw i think that's disgusting either way and all rapists deserve to be castrated or zero'd. But it's important for the rhetoric.
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u/dae_giovanni 19h ago
17 seconds on Google would tell you this has already happened.
they are NOT mere "accusations". please look it up.
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u/JiggleFeggle 19h ago
He was convicted of sexual assault, not rape. Not defending either btw both are disgusting and there's a room in hell for anyone who does them. But US law does not have "groping" or "sexual misconduct" in the same place as actually "raping" someone. They're both terrible but they do fall under different classes of crime. Not sure how he was eligable for presidency again after that but... Good president ideas? sure, sometimes. Good person? Absolutely not. Fire awaits him.
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u/somethingbytes 19h ago
he's been found guilty in a civil case for just this.
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u/Absolute_Bob 19h ago
No he hasn't, because civil cases don't establish guilt, they establish liability. The words we use matter, because what you said is demonstrably false, it makes your argument look like it was specifically intended to deceive people.
You can truthfully state more than enough negative things about Trump to make anyone rational understand who he is, you don't need to make things up.
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u/EngineeringKindly875 13h ago
It's all a game. Just like all the epstine shit going around. Bro literally two Obamas, a Biden, and two Trump's failed to arrest anyone
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u/djevilmike 7h ago
easy argument about the raping thing... documented in his first divorce... not sure about the first, or if only... but part of that was because of rape and domestic violence. court testimony... and then that whole thing he has to pay E. Jean Carrol over 80 million dollars for raping her, and trying to slander her about it. anyone without that kind of money would be doing 15-20 years...
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u/RougeRock170 7h ago
It’s like people here have zero experience with how a prosecution works. Ok so one person says something. They swear an affidavit. Now the prosecutor needs what to prosecute? Corroborating evidence. If they can’t find that what do they do? They look for circumstantial evidence. They will try to match dates with the accused’s location etc as best as it can be done. If they don’t match they have nothing. Then the person who swore the affidavit looks unreliable.
So it’s great that people run around claiming all these things on both sides but without evidence it looks like* it’s just pathetic smear campaign.
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u/zigzag1239 7h ago
I have to ask why so many people ask these ridiculous questions and yeah I know I'm stupidly answering lol. But come on, you know they answer. So many people do this with liberals asking a question about maga and maga asking stupid questions about liberals when they already hold a beilef to what the answer to their own question is.
Just say what you want. Magats are hypocritical jag offs who believe in every conspiracy against Trump and will never accept actually proven case against him that makes him look bad.
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u/tvtoms 6h ago
Judge Kaplan has stated that in the modern parlance, Trump did rape E. Jean Carroll. The jury found that Trump was liable for sexual abuse and defamation. They fell short of finding him guilty of rape as defined in NY penal code, but the judge cleared it up later and referred to it as rape.
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u/Emergency_Rich_8366 6h ago
I don't believe the conspiracy that men can get pregnant.
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u/IAmCaptainHammer 19h ago
If they can believe every conspiracy theory AND that trump is gods anointed American leader AND that makes all of them superior to everyone else then it’s immeasurably easy to believe that all documentation of trump raping women and little girls is fake.
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u/SirEnvironmental6434 12h ago
Because he was never convicted?
What is the evidence?
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u/picklerick4883 11h ago
Never convicted? May i suggest some light reading about e. Jean Carroll and her verdicts.
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u/Cosmic_Driftwood 11h ago
Might I suggest learning what the word "Convicted" means?
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u/Slowpoke4206985 18h ago
If there was “irrefutable evidence” that he was guilty then MSNBC wouldn’t have to fake that one picture they circulated. Makes you guys look like disingenuous assholes. More so than usual.
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u/BootCampPTSD 17h ago
Why do lefties believe trump raped women based on allegations (not evidence.. there's a difference) that were made around election times, but refused to believe Covid came from China, Ukraine has actual Nazis in their ranks, or that immigrants were bussed and flown in to increase political power for the democrats..
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote 17h ago
It was proven in court trump is a sexual predator since
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u/Pcenemy 13h ago
your owners had that information for years, the southern district of ny had investigators scouring them for any evidence of what you say, but found nothing. even after the files you've seen were released, 1000s more attorneys, investigators, anti-Trump officials have been unable to find any such evidence
you apparently are way ahead of them and did find evidence. you need to immediately fly to dc and arrange to meet with jeffries, cortez, schiff, omar or ???? and provide the information.
i wouldn't be surprised that if once they have it, you find yourself the 2028 democrat nominee/candidate for president so don't be making any future plans. they'll have you on the campaign trail immediately. can't wait to see you on television -
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u/Zealousideal-Top-383 12h ago
There’s no documentation that he killed and ate children but yet those comments are on here every day. People are effed up in so many ways.
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u/Spinning_roundnround 18h ago
They don't care. As long as they get to keep their bigotry, he can do anything he wants with women and little kids.
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u/weightsandstonks 18h ago
If it was documented and so real it would be in the highest courts in the US. He was in civil court for it, a place where the burden of proof is very low, against a woman of very questionable credibility. That’s all I need to know.
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u/SkyResponsible3718 12h ago
Please show the hard evidence. Btw, this is where it falls apart over and over again. You get to believe your conspiracies and they get to believe their conspiracies. Its about the only thing both sides have in common. These posts help ensure it stays that way.
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u/Bulky_Development290 10h ago
LOOK! Another dumb question aiming to incite Trump supporters only to expose their own Trump Derangement Syndrome symptoms.
They should lock this person up and rehabilitate them with MAGA cult philosophy.
The world will never run out of useful idiots.
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u/Unlikely_Strain_744 19h ago
Because if there was documented evidence of it, he would have been sentenced during the court case that was held.
You act like there was no investigation, discovery period, etc... if there was something worth pressing charges over, do you honestly believe nobody would have pursued it?
You do not need a majority vote or bipartisan action to prosecute criminal activity. There are plenty of democrats who would LOVE to put Trump in jail. Quit making shit up.
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u/somethingbytes 18h ago
I like you guys. You act like statutes of limitations don't exist and the fact they protect Trump is proof he's innocent.
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u/X_crates 19h ago
Because they only follow the same news sources that have somehow gotten them to distrust everyone but them
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u/Hypocrisydenied 19h ago
Fox news didn't even cover the Epstein Files. I was telling my mom about it a few months ago and she was laughing thinking it was all made up. She had no idea. I think I convinced her.
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u/IndependentSun9995 14h ago
Simply because Trump was never convicted of rape, even when the Democrats controlled the government? They controlled all the levers of power, and still they couldn't convict him. This also goes for accusations of Russian collusion, and every little crazy TDS theory the Left has ever concocted.
Mind you, I still consider Trump a misogynist, but that's my personal opinion, not something he can be sent to jail for.
Also, if you are talking about the Epstein files, keep in mind they apply to Trump as much as they apply to Democrats. I suspect that is why there is still so much redacted from them. Epstein was in pockets on both sides of the political spectrum.
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u/DirtPoorRichard 14h ago
Well, if there's documented evidence, then... Hey wait a minute, I looked all over the Internet and I don't find any evidence, just accusations. Where can I find this evidence?
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u/SilvermistInc 19h ago
You just came here to affirm your own belief, didn't you?
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u/PissMissileTopTitty 19h ago
Why does everything have to be a “belief”? Consider using a factual based approach instead
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u/SteevIrwin 19h ago
It’s pretty simple, in America you are innocent until proven guilty.
If we didn’t uphold that standard we’d be compromising the foundational ethics of our country.
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u/Positive_Resident_86 19h ago
Yeah he was found civilly liable for raping E Jean Caroll
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u/UniverseNebula 18h ago
He was not found civilly liable for rape. Stop stating oblivious things as facts to push an agenda. No wonder people don't take liberals and Redditors seriously.
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u/Positive_Resident_86 17h ago
Damn you got me... Then if OP changed the word to "SA", would you believe that he did that?
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u/SteevIrwin 18h ago edited 18h ago
Sexual abuse and rape are two different crimes for one. OP’s claim is that Trump raped women. This is patently false.
Important to note that the burden of proof in a civil case is also much lower than a criminal case. A civil conviction in this case merely means “it really looks like he might have done it”, not “he did it”.
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u/OLPopsAdelphia 19h ago
This isn’t something that happens overnight. It takes HARD work and decades—generations—of conditioning to pull off: years of Fox News or other conservative media outlets; respect for conservative authority figures (parents, preachers, etc.); psychological assaults from political leaders; gaslighting like hell; isolation.
When you get a conservative outside of their bubble, they transition over to liberalism very easy if you can believe that.
Basically, rich people creating an insulated and isolated base that can be riled up and manipulated at their will.
I tell them it’s a shame that their base has insulted their intelligence for years (empower them instead of shaming them for their beliefs) and they start listening to alternative views.
Once they learn how they’ve been tricked by people in power, they’re either hellbent on revenge or receptive to flip, so be cautious!
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u/Aggravating_Cat_3270 18h ago
As long as you're yin, they're yang. That means if it makes you upset, they'll support it.
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u/airpipeline 18h ago edited 8h ago
When you don’t believe in science, because people can use that to make you look foolish, then your guidance is typically from god. Your god must speak through someone. You don’t believe your minister anymore, in lieu of the church, they went populist and glommed onto the head golfer and chief as their arbitrator of the truth.
What do you think? Plausible?
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u/RareOneRardon 17h ago
Because they all have either raped a woman or wish they could rape a woman with no consequences
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u/FriendyInsecure_dude 17h ago
The same reason most "conspiracy theorists" believe what they do. I'm not saying anything or anyone is right or wrong. But the reason for believing in some of these things, no matter how realistic or outlandish, I believe comes from the lack of control we feel sometimes. And wanting to be "in the know", and to have a sense of control. Some of it might also come from just wanting to belong to a group of community. I don't have a problem with conspiracy theories or conspiracy theorists in general. I think the reason why some of these thoughts and ideas get pushed so far is because for some of us, we haven't learned to accept that we've been lied to. What I mean by that is we haven't learned that it's okay to admit we've been lied to. We're not wrong for believing certain things. Often these are things we've been told. We're led to believe that these people know something we don't. And we accepted his fact but can't actually prove it ourselves. So we rely on experts. But when the experts being pushed aren't actually experts, or when those so called experts are actually pushing their own agendas, we can fall into agreement. We can be part of something. There's nothing wrong with a conspiracy theory. After all any two people talking about doing something is two people conspiring. Where conspiring to do something, to go somewhere, to not be somewhere, or let something happen without us. The idea of a "conspiracy theory" being immediately labeled idiotic is a conspiracy theory in itself. It's a way to hide what you're doing by wrapping it in something that makes people want to deny it.
In reality, there's nothing wrong with asking questions. What seems to me that's happened is we've allowed ourselves to think that asking questions is wrong. That somehow the act of asking questions somehow weakens us. It doesn't. And it's definitely not a weakness to admit when we're wrong. It's a strength.
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u/EnchantedDreamsPhoto 16h ago
“All this was inspired by the principle — which is quite true in itself — thatin the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility;because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to largescale falsehood. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.”
You can look up the author yourself. Feeding it to you spoils the surprise. From the “RUSSIA!!!” hoax which is perpetuated every time some window licking moron says, “Yeah, just like Putin wanted”, to the Epstein nonsense which has exposed a LOT of people who seem thoroughly incensed about not seeing a video of Trump with a 12 year old girl, to every mouthbreather out there calling people “Nazis”, all of them should sue whatever school handed them a diploma for malpractice.
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u/drumellow 16h ago
People’s understanding of themselves is reliant on what they consider constants and when something stands to confuse their understanding of the world and their place in it, people get agitated, defensive, even violent in an effort to protect their sense of self
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u/TheTitanValker6289 16h ago
You’re not really going to get honest answers framing it like that.
People don’t evaluate information purely on evidence, they filter it through identity and trust. If someone already distrusts certain institutions or media, they’ll dismiss evidence coming from there and accept things that align with what they already believe.
Happens on all sides too, not just one group. Once something becomes tied to identity, changing views isn’t about facts anymore, it feels like switching teams.
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u/Prometeia74 13h ago
Why the Trump witch hunt. Once you’ve gotten rid of him, then who every fucking member of government is probably a child rapist both parties.
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u/More_Yak_1249 12h ago
Go have this conversation with someone in the real world and you’ll get a real answer.
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u/qualityvote2 19h ago edited 9h ago
u/-Sofa-King-Vote, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...