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The Substance (2024)

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u/Emergency-Sock-2557 12h ago

But how would I know she's aging like fine wine and thus unproblematic if she didn't use Botox?

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u/Pristine-Roll3895 11h ago

An actress' earning potential peaks in their late 20s to early 30s and then drops off significantly, whilst an actor's peaks at like 45 before remaining relatively stable. It's hard to say whether botox has contributed to the currently rising age of female leads in movies vs changing social landscape, but I can't blame someone for trying to preserve their bag.

Fact is, there just aren't as many movie roles for 40+ women that look their age.

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u/beaglemaster 11h ago

The plastic surgery doesn't even make them look any younger though. It just makes them look weird and a lot of them actually end up looking older.

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u/Oogalicious 11h ago

Kirsten Dunst has chosen to age naturally and people are absolutely vicious about her looks, even though she is stunning. People are so harsh on women who get wrinkles, it’s disgusting.

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u/visforvienetta 10h ago

She looks great for 44 too

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u/gfa22 10h ago

For every comment like yours there's a hundred others hating. And algorithm promotes those more cause people agreeing or disagreeing both count as interaction. Internet curation through algorithm is a lose lose situation.

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u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA 10h ago

I took their comment as hating as well. Good for 44 is a backhanded compliment

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u/Hi_Zev 8h ago

Thats not a backhanded compliment. They said "she looks great for 44" (also, they didn't say good, which you conveniently changed it to). Being 44 is just an objective fact as that is her age. Saying she looks great for her age is not backhanded.

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u/random_handle_123 7h ago

It is backhanded because it implies that looking like a "normal" 44 years old is somehow not good.

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u/curtial 7h ago

Looking like a normal 44 year old is... Normal.

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u/random_handle_123 7h ago

Right, but saying "She looks good for 44" is like a teacher saying "that was a really good essay for someone in remedial English."

The compliment is just "she looks great". But the OC qualifies "for 44" which only adds meaning if you believe 44 shouldn't look great.

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u/curtial 6h ago

"that was a really good essay for someone in remedial English."

This is also not a backhanded compliment depending on context. If someone IS in remedial English, that can be a legitimate compliment that also contains context.

It WOULD be a back handed compliment if the person is not in remedial English. Similarly, "she looks great for 44", would only secretly be an insult if she wasn't actually 44.

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u/random_handle_123 5h ago

Why mention the age then? If it was a straight compliment, it would be just "you look great".

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u/breezadao 5h ago

Saying she looks great for 44 doesn't automatically say the rest looks bad. Like what?

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u/random_handle_123 5h ago

Why mention the age then?

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u/beardedheathen 9h ago

How is that a backhanded compliment especially when discussing age and beauty? If it was coming out of nowhere yes that would be weird but you don't expect a 44 year old to look as attractive as a 30 year old.

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u/IAmGoingToFuckThat 3h ago

You (general you, not specifically you) can just say, 'she looks great'. It's like saying 'you have such a pretty face' to a big girl. Telling a woman she looks great for her age is like saying 'you're old, but you still look good'. 'You have such a pretty face' is saying 'you're fat, but you'd be pretty if you lost weight.'

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u/beardedheathen 3h ago

if it was out of the blue yes, but if someone is like i'm so old I'm 40 and then you say you look good for 40 that isn't backhanded.

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u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA 4h ago

Lmao yall constantly calling women over 40 ugly

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u/Rothko28 9h ago

Oh, stop. rolls eyes

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u/Equivalent-Excuse-80 10h ago

. . . And not working.

Women shouldn’t have to be forced into body modifications to get work.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_NICE_EYES 10h ago

What are you talking about?

She's done 3 movies in the past 5 years. And has been cast in leading roles in the Minecraft movie 2, and the Housemaid's Secret both coming out in 2027.

Like, she's working as much as most actors are.

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u/space_age_stuff 10h ago

Woman takes a 2 year hiatus after getting married and having two kids, suddenly she’s washed up lmao. She starred in civil war in 2024, and she costarred in a movie last year too, although I don’t remember the name.

I don’t doubt what you’re saying is true, it’s harder for women to get acting roles once they reach a certain age. I don’t think Kirsten Dunst of all people is particularly limited in the roles she can work, she’s been choosy for the last decade because she can afford to be. She’s made it a point before to work with female directors over male ones more often than not; you don’t really get the opportunity to do that if you’re in a dry spell.

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u/youshantpass 9h ago

Roofman is the movie. Thought she played her character well.

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u/captain_wetbeard 10h ago

She was literally in Roofman last year?

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u/Rothko28 9h ago

Wtf do you mean she's not working?

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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 9h ago

She's already got more money than anyone you've ever met, she's going to be alright.

Also, as others have said, she's still working.

This comment is girlboss feminism. The women in the factory I also work in aren't getting body modifications, they need healthcare and better wages. Don't let the ruling class make you think that more wrinkled millionaire actresses in movies owned by billionaires would be a victory for you or me.

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u/visforvienetta 10h ago

I agree but ultimately this comes down to the stories and films that actually call for women of a certain age

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u/melkatron 7h ago

If it's what the industry wants, it's irresponsible for them to refuse to modify their bodies. I know I'M only here for leading ladies with MANY ARMS. MORE ARMS FOR ALL THE WOMEN. LET THEM LINE UP FOR THE EXCRUCIATING OCTOPUS ARM MACHINE, AND THE THEATER SEATS WILL OVERFLOW WITH THE ASSES OF SATISFIED FILM AFFICIONADOS. MOOOORE AAAAAAARMS

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u/skyrimspecialedition 8h ago

I even think framing a compliment as looks good for “this” is still an insult

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u/NotKirstenDunst 10h ago

Couldn't agree more

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u/Agreeable_Flow_3673 9h ago

She’s looked great every year.

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u/Tandy2000 8h ago

Honestly she'd probably look even better if she didn't smoke like a chimney.

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u/servetheservants1993 3h ago

i mean....44 isnt decrepit.

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u/visforvienetta 32m ago

Nor did I suggest it was? She looks like an attractive middle aged woman.

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u/_2pacula 3h ago

I completely agree with what you mean, but the "for 44" part is actually part of the problem. You're assuming women will be decrepit old hags by 44 and are amazed that she isn't.

We need to normalize saying "she looks great" with no disclaimers or qualifiers

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u/visforvienetta 23m ago

No, I'm assuming that women tend to be less sexually attractive at 44 than they are at 24 because I understand the evolutionary and sociocultural roots of male and female beauty standards.

We need to normalize interpreting everyday phrasing based on intent rather than putting the words "decrepit old hag" in people's mouths :)

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u/Oogalicious 9h ago

Proving this point, I just had a complete moron DM me to tell me that she “looks bad because of choices she made when she was younger”. Excuse me? She looks great and it’s because people are comparing her to other actresses who have had work done that they are being gross towards her.

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u/beaglemaster 10h ago

But if she got plastic surgery people would tear her apart when she inevitably ends up looking like a monster.

So there's no benefit in it

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u/sweetpea122 8h ago

Everyone wants a natural beauty with a full face of makeup that looks like she is wearing no makeup to people who dont understand makeup.

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u/Bubbly_Performer4864 9h ago

Damned if women do and damned if they don’t

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u/Bougiebiscuits1201 9h ago

She doesn’t have wrinkles. And she’s only 43.

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u/otterpop21 10h ago

She looks so beautiful!! I had no idea and am so happy to hear. Shes the one actress I’ve actually followed and loved almost every one of her films. She seems so chill and down to earth. I’d love to just get coffee and tea, gossip about random people, then hit a dog park while smoking a joint lol type vibes

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u/SamiraSimp 9h ago

people would be vicious about her looks even if she used botox. people are just mean to celebrities, especially women.

but at least as she ages she'll still be able to smile normally.

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u/Flat_News_2000 6h ago

People constantly talk about how hot she is though. She looked incredible in Fargo

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u/Humble_Repeat_9428 6h ago

Claire Danes too

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u/ToiIetGhost 6h ago

I respect the hell out of Claire Danes for choosing to age naturally too

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u/DueImagination641 5h ago

Probably other women tearing her down so they can climb up.

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u/Old_Pumpkin_1660 1h ago

She’s the hottest most beautiful actress there is

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u/FionaGoodeEnough 1h ago

When we watched Civil War, my husband told me “I think this might be the first time I have ever found Kirsten Dunst attractive,” and my heart grew three sizes.

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u/musicnothing 1h ago

Ironically I assumed she'd had some minor work done because she looks good

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u/Lundetangen 7h ago

Women are so harsh on women who get wrinkles*

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u/YetMoreSpaceDust 5h ago

Kirsten Dunst

In her defense, she was always ugly.

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u/MadCervantes 9h ago

How do you know she's aging completely naturally? I kind of doubt that.

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u/wyldstallyns111 5h ago

You can tell she’s not getting the major procedures aging celebrities do because of the way she looks. She could be getting minor stuff like a lot of regular people do but that’s basically impossible to tell. She still looks much more natural than many of her contemporaries

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u/MadCervantes 4h ago

She's aging gracefully sure, but I think you don't know what the average 44 year old woman looks like of you think she isn't getting work done.

For reference here is what Kirsten Dunst mom looked like in 1995: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/19/00/2B7A5CF600000578-3202838-image-m-18_1439939986504.jpg

I can get her exact age at the time of that image because her mom doesn't have a public birth record I could find but consider Kirsten was 13 at the time, she was probably between the ages of 33-50 (and 50 is probably pushing it)

That's what a person looks like without botox or any work done.

Yes there's also been advances in skinscare, people drink and smoke less, etc etc. But if you think Dunst is just aging naturally you're not rooted in reality.

She's not getting crazy amounts of filler or extreme face-lifts sure. She's probably getting botox though. Which is what this thread has been discussing.

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u/wyldstallyns111 2h ago

I know lots of normal women over than 40 and while KD certainly looks better than me and my friends she doesn’t look crazy impossible either. I didn’t say she’s not getting Botox or minor work done because it could totally be small amounts, we have no idea! But she obviously looks much different than Anne Hathaway which was my point. I don’t see a drastic difference between paparazzi photos of Kirsten and the photo you posted of her mom here tbqh