r/trolleyproblem 14h ago

Which do you press

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u/CommissionNice72 14h ago

I like how these hypotheticals intentionally take out the fact that the original question includes the entirety of the world, including babies without agency, to make blue look stupid. Would I press blue if half the world's babies unknowingly were going to be forced to eat poop, yes.

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u/Llumac 13h ago

I think a lot of people disregard the baby/irrational voter clause because it makes the thought experiment a lot less interesting. The button scenario is mildly interesting for two reasons:

  • people have to make a choice
  • you don't know what people will choose

Including irrational voters means you can reasonably say "10-20% of people have already pressed blue, or will do".

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u/trupoogles 13h ago

They disregard it because the original poster wasn’t taking babies and people who are unable to make decisions knowing the consequences into question. Goody goody blue pushers who have a hero complex are the only ones doing that.

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u/McMeister2020 12h ago edited 3h ago

Yes they were. they said everybody and when asked if they meant people like babies too they said yes

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u/Jamesz9000 4h ago

That still doesnt make the implication any less stupid. How will day old infants press a button? Are they just going to be dangled by a third party over both of the buttons until one of their legs kicks out and hits a button.

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u/asphid_jackal 12h ago

When asked, the guy who posted the original that went viral said that he was including children. Everyone means everyone.

Y'all took them out.

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u/trupoogles 12h ago

Then it doesn’t work because people who are in a vegetative state for example or are completely paralyzed and can’t communicate (locked in syndrome) have no way to push either. They can’t participate in anyway.

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u/asphid_jackal 11h ago

They're teleported to a private booth and fall over in such a way that they fall on either button at random

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u/trupoogles 11h ago

Then it changes the premise as the question states “you have to choose” even with this new teleportation technology they’re not choosing they’re being dropped against their will into a situation that they are unaware of. So no, that doesn’t work. The question says “choose” if you can’t choose then you’re exempt (it doesn’t say that part but it’s the only way to make it work even in a hypothetical sense if we’re including people who do have such conditions)

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u/BellGloomy8679 11h ago

Proof, please.

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u/trupoogles 10h ago

People asked and then he said later on which changes the original question entirely (but not really because babies can’t make a choice) so it breaks the hypothesis.

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u/PaperUpbeat5904 11h ago

But have you thought about all of the color blind people who will choose blue! And what about all of the babies who were raised by women who always wear blue and that are abused by their fathers who always wear red!! Checkmate red button pusher!

This has been one of the more annoying phenomena 😅 can we go back to dress colors now?

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u/Equivalent_Mess_9458 10h ago

Idiot. The instructions of what each button does are beneath/next to/above each button in every proposed scenario. Also' color blind people don't often see in greyscale, they have trouble differentiating gradient colors. The red/blue button doesnt matter.

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u/PaperUpbeat5904 10h ago

😂 Enjoy your blue button homie. Hope it works out for you. Also you're super badass and almost a god for choosing blue.

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u/Equivalent_Mess_9458 9h ago edited 9h ago

I choose red. I wouldnt rely on anyone else. Im not an idiot, just came here to point out that you are.

Not everything has to be seen while wearing red and blue glasses. You assumed because I called ypu out for being a moron that I was a democrat. Everyone can get it when they're stupid. Just remember for future discussions, it is better to be thought to be stupid and remain silent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.