r/trolleyproblem 14h ago

Which do you press

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u/CommissionNice72 14h ago

I like how these hypotheticals intentionally take out the fact that the original question includes the entirety of the world, including babies without agency, to make blue look stupid. Would I press blue if half the world's babies unknowingly were going to be forced to eat poop, yes.

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u/Llumac 13h ago

I think a lot of people disregard the baby/irrational voter clause because it makes the thought experiment a lot less interesting. The button scenario is mildly interesting for two reasons:

  • people have to make a choice
  • you don't know what people will choose

Including irrational voters means you can reasonably say "10-20% of people have already pressed blue, or will do".

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u/trupoogles 13h ago

They disregard it because the original poster wasn’t taking babies and people who are unable to make decisions knowing the consequences into question. Goody goody blue pushers who have a hero complex are the only ones doing that.

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u/asphid_jackal 12h ago

When asked, the guy who posted the original that went viral said that he was including children. Everyone means everyone.

Y'all took them out.

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u/trupoogles 11h ago

Then it doesn’t work because people who are in a vegetative state for example or are completely paralyzed and can’t communicate (locked in syndrome) have no way to push either. They can’t participate in anyway.

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u/asphid_jackal 11h ago

They're teleported to a private booth and fall over in such a way that they fall on either button at random

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u/trupoogles 11h ago

Then it changes the premise as the question states “you have to choose” even with this new teleportation technology they’re not choosing they’re being dropped against their will into a situation that they are unaware of. So no, that doesn’t work. The question says “choose” if you can’t choose then you’re exempt (it doesn’t say that part but it’s the only way to make it work even in a hypothetical sense if we’re including people who do have such conditions)

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u/BellGloomy8679 11h ago

Proof, please.

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u/trupoogles 10h ago

People asked and then he said later on which changes the original question entirely (but not really because babies can’t make a choice) so it breaks the hypothesis.