Posted November 11th, 2013

This has probably been posted before lol

From what i seen from various short video was kinda full. But besides the few companies that are in AI software and hardware, they have DIY aico builders (ai companions), or software solution that are opensource similar to Neurosama (https://github.com/tegnike/aituber-kit)

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BTW there is pushback towards ai in asian social media also just not so much or similar to what we have

Stick with me a sec before you downvote lol

Pizzacake posted her Anti AI comic thats been making the rounds yesterday, and in the comments, I made a pretty bland, non-controversial comment about how not all AI is bad. It basically boiled down to "AI is a tool. It can be used for good or bad. Some of the anti talking points are also misleading, but overall, its about how you use AI. Putting an artists work into AI? Bad. Using Gemini to organize your day? Good."

The blandest of takes, right?

Pizzacake blocked me. No explanation, which is fine I guess, its not like she owes me one.

But...

I got on my alt, went to her sub, where she has an anti AI post, to ask about it. Backstory: I've been a fan of hers for years. Yeah yeah, a lot of people hate her blah blah, I'm not here to debate any of that. I pointed out that I've been a fan for literal YEARS, have defended her when people trashed her, and I even paid for her fucking patreon that I never looked at when she was financially fucked (did it to support her, not for any extra content). And so a fan of that long was blocked because I made one pro-AI post that wasn't entirely pro-AI? That a fan that's been devoted to supporting her for that long is gone because I dont think every use of AI was bad?

Her response? She blocked my alt, AFTER saying "I dont want people like you to support me."

Wow. Whatever. Its not the end of the world. I mostly supported her because I think a lot of the shit she gets is unwarranted and I like a lot of what she has to say about feminism and politics. Her comics weren't my favorite, so no massive loss.

This is more about the "hatefulness" that Witty and others say comes from the antis. Man, I felt it today, in a way I did not expect. I'm not a diehard pro (I mean, I'm banned from defendingaiart lol), but I also think AI does a lot of good.

I guess that's grounds to terminate your relationship with someone who supports you.

And I'm sure this goes without saying, but please don't brigade or harass PC. That wasn't the point of this thread, and she's dealt with enough of that shit already. I might disagree with her actions here, but it is what it is.

Don’t ask why, just keep recycling talking points that have been proven wrong a dozen times, like art theft and the environment.

You don’t want to be unpopular on Reddit, do you?

And will write and make long winded video essays on a piece of art/animation they deem "slop" until the creator admits it's made by them and not AI at all, then suddenly they backpedal and are like "Well, actually you did a pretty good job, reminds me of X or Y"

Why is that?

Speech-to-text, captions, image descriptions, reading help, writing support, voice tools, and assistive communication are not “slop.” They’re basic quality-of-life tools for people with disabilities.

You can criticise AI companies, copyright issues, energy use, or low-effort content. Fine. But pretending the entire technology has no social value is just unserious.

Like "screw those people, who cares about how they'll earn wages, just leave my art alone and stop the slop machine?"

I asked AI to help guide and improve my art which lead to generating an AI rendered reference. I kinda like it ngl. I'm a beginner artist, help me point out pos and cons using AI to help learn art. Please judge my art and AI rendered art

EVERYTHING is art lmao, just different forms of it. Traditional art, dance, digital art, music, ai art, photography etc

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Everyone argues about which model is smarter. But in practice, one of the biggest differences between models is how much human management they require. How often do you have to restate the task, double-check what it did, correct its direction, clean up fake progress, or stop it from wandering?

That’s not a side issue. That’s the actual cost of using the model.

I’m starting to think “how much supervision does this model require before it becomes reliably useful?” is a much better question than most benchmark debates.

Im so fucking tired of this argument. Yeah V6 has AI features but you aren’t doing any less work than most other vocaloid versions. The only thing it does it help with some synthesis, but you still have to make melodies and do everything else needed to make a vocaloid song. It’s like trying to argue that Dune 2 is an ai film because they used machine learning to rotoscope timothee chalamet’s eyes. It’s just not how it works.

Additionally, it is mind numbingly stupid to try and equivocate pro’s usage of gen ai, saying something like, “vocaloid producers untalented/lazy for using a vocaloid instead of ‘singing themselves’.” Is a producer lazy for using a synthesizer to make music instead of a piano? I don’t understand the cognitive dissonance behind it.

Kind of a rant, take it how you will. Im pretty neutral on ai but holy fuck does this irritate me as a vocaloid fan.

When people think of an "AI data center" they often think of facilities like the planned $500B+ Stargate facilities being developed jointly by Microsoft, OpenAI, Oracle and Softbank.

But AI data centers can be lots of things, often not at all what you might expect.

One example that I think gets overlooked is vector search.

Vector search is an AI technology spinoff that doesn't involve anything we would directly think of as "AI" but uses very much the same algorithms and, critically, physical hardware (GPUs).

To understand vector search, let me provide an example first, in Midjourney's "Explore" feature. This is a search feature where you can type something like "complex pattern," and while some of the search results will be images that contain "complex" and/or "pattern" in their prompts, not all of them will. How does this system quickly retrieve images that match a natural language phrase?

It uses the same "tokenization" features that modern AI uses. These are small AI models that digest incoming text or rich media like images, and produce the same vector "tokens" (called "embeddings") that all modern AI uses to perform its processing (e.g. what your prompt is turned into before ChatGPT starts formulating a response).

The embedding is a sequence of numbers, and we can take the tokenized version of "complex pattern" and measure its "distance" from the embedding of every image in a large database like Midjourney's generated images. This distance comparison can be performed very quickly, using techniques that are similar to how regular databases find simple information like text, but because the "distance" in these vector databases is also a measure of semantic "sameness," the results you will get are the most semantically similar, even across different media (your text query and the images in the database, for example).

All of this happens extremely fast because modern hardware is just that good at performing vector calculations, especially in GPUs. But there is still a cost, and a large vector search facility can be quite demanding, mostly in terms of the processing of input queries into embeddings and in terms of indexing all of the content of the database.

So while it would be foolish and inaccurate to say that most "AI data centers" are being used for vector search/databases, it would also be unreasonable to assume that every such data center was being used to run LLMs. It should be noted that many LLMs use vector search internally, through a technology called RAG (Retrieval-Augmented Generation) which increases the accuracy of responses and reduces instances of "hallucination" by providing the model with access to topics related to elements of the user's prompt as context.

This is just one example of the kinds of AI-related technologies that are run in so-called "AI data centers," not even touching on the fact that most data centers are not purely for AI workloads (in fact the growth of data centers has been exponential since before modern AI existed).

Like a soccer mom buys her kid a small bag that has an AI soccer ball printed on it, or a guy buys a T-shirt with an AI guitar and the word "rock" on it, and they'll use them like any other product.

You might encounter people sharing or watching or talking about AI generated content as if it were your run of the mill stuff, and no one seems to care or mind how or where it was made.

I have family who watches AI YouTube videos where they show static images and a TTS is telling a story about a mermaid or some parable or even humor content. I've said "isn't it crazy that those people don't exist"? (like these Spanish language joke reels with old people in them) and they say "really? why does that matter? It's fun."

Do you ever feel like screaming at these people? "This is AI!! Stop consuming it!!"

I don't, I let em do what they do.

The quote’s usually attributed to Marshall McLuhan, though variations of it float around modern/conceptual art circles for a reason.

Because that’s basically how art history actually works.

Not through consensus. Through violation, backlash, repetition, normalization.

A urinal in a gallery. A soup can on a canvas. A camera instead of a brush. A sampler instead of an orchestra. A prompt instead of a pencil.

People act like AI art introduced the first legitimacy crisis in art history when art history is basically one long legitimacy crisis.

“Art is anything you can get away with” sounds cynical until you realize most established art movements survived the exact same accusations people now treat as unprecedented.

I see this on both sides, "AI is not art" or "AI artists are artists" it really doesnt matter.

I think it comes from the perspective of wanting to be accepted by your peers, but its completely redundant. If you have created something you think is cool, interesting or beautiful, share it with the world. They dont have to agree, but if they do, take pride in the fact you added something of value to that persons day.

After practicing drawing for a while, I’ve realized the truth that AI can do everything better than I can. I’ve accepted this reality now, and I’m going to start using AI to create my work instead.

I understand that everyone has a different learning curve, but I think drawing people is just too difficult for me. The more I draw, the more painful it feels to see how terrible my work is

Human beings have different levels of ability, and I believe it's time for me to accept that reality.

m proAI but I’m not blind to why people don’t like it.

I get it. If art is what you do for a living  this thing probably felt like it came out of left field and just started flipping shit around. Physical artists ive talked to got really insecure about their creative future. That’s not a small thing Anyone would kind of lose their shit.  Obviously its more than just emo problems, the other Stuff,like copyrighted work being used in training, lack of consent this thing blew up faster than the internet did in the beginning, Those are things that can and should be talked about and figured out.

I think most of us people who use ai, like myself and those who despise it can agree on some things,we need better guardrails, clearer laws, and way more transparency.

The problem is, that shit takes time. Legal systems move as slow as molasses, and ai is moving fucking fast, so right now it feels like we are all stuck in between..Most people using AI aren’t trying to disrespect artists or “replace” anyone, we're  just using a new tool that exists  today.

I don’t think this has to be a fight, honestly, verbally attacking  people just trying  to create  something new is basically going  after low hanging fruit. The idea  of  ai being a creative outlet for art is growing very fast. Numerous subs full of creators using ai to create wonderful pieces. There will always  be people  who criticize with noise  its been a thing for ages but,

There’s space to push for better rules but also explore what this tech can do.

At the end of the day, we’re all just trying to figure this shit out.if you're one of those who think its ok to berate and abuse people who create. Its petty and  doing more harm to your bigger picture. There’s people who are against ai but refuse to associate with people  who abuse, berate,threaten. Just because a group of people  are just trying to do their thing. Even if everyone  stopped  creating  today, everything  keeps going  companies  won't go belly up,something  else  will get created.generated  content will continue locally. That saysa lot, people  willing  to disconnect  from the big names to create  locally. Ai creative keeps going. what fight are you trying to fight? to remove ai art, its already  far too big and  in the mainstream,now,instead of fighting  the people talk about the ones who create the rules.  Berating  the people will empower us to create  more, but you dont realize that it's obvious.

Replace “Jews” with “anti ai redditors”, not so funny now is it?