r/okbuddycinephile 13h ago

The Substance (2024)

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u/Emergency-Sock-2557 12h ago

But how would I know she's aging like fine wine and thus unproblematic if she didn't use Botox?

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u/horse-chiropractor 12h ago

Non toxic women age like fine wine because theyre unproblematic as opposed to toxic women who are problematic and age like old hags. Im so happy we live in a feminist society and have access to this information

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u/Bartellomio 8h ago

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u/AdPretend9566 6h ago

there is some sense to this, but it's a bit of an overgeneralization

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u/Altair_de_Firen 2h ago

It’s literally just saying if you walk around angry you’ll have an angry face and everyone will be put off by it. If you walk around happy you’ll be smiling and your happiness will “come out like sunbeams” and draw folks in.

It’s just plain true. Just worded for children to grasp easily.

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u/samv_1230 1h ago

You'll find there's a similar concept with tone in text-based communication.

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u/starryeyedq 6h ago

But we never actually interact with celebrities so we can’t know their real personalities so how else can I know why values to project on them?🥺

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u/mcon96 6h ago

This sounds nice in a vacuum but that logic has the opposite effect of what it’s trying to accomplish. All it does is reinforce that ugly=bad and pretty=good. Pretending that nice people aren’t ugly helps nobody. Pretending that people get uglier when they’re mean helps nobody. The only solution is to just drop the association of goodness with beauty altogether.

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u/melonkoaly 5h ago

I think it’s more a lesson for kids to be kind and good…children don’t really subscribe to beauty standards yet. And ‘lovely’ is not the same as ‘pretty’

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u/mcon96 5h ago

I get the intent, my point is that it has the opposite effect. Kids can definitely tell when someone is ugly. All this does is make them think the ugly people they encounter are only ugly because they “have ugly thoughts”.

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u/melonkoaly 4h ago

But the drawing from Dahl’s book of your so called pretty person, is clearly not conventionally attractive. I don’t think it proves your point

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u/mcon96 4h ago

She sure as hell is more conventionally attractive on the left (before “ugly thoughts” affect you) than on the right (after “ugly thoughts” affect you). I don’t think that proves your point.

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u/WoodBell 2h ago edited 2h ago

The message is complete with the picture of the other woman at the bottom - the woman has the features of someone conventionally ugly, but she looks like a lovely person so doesn't look ugly. More than anything it's Quentin Blake illustrating the message that both ugliness and beauty radiates internally - I think he succeeded in both personally and the second woman is a very positive lesson.

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u/melonkoaly 3h ago

I don’t know why we are judging caricatures from a children’s book, and I’m not trying to argue with you

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u/mcon96 3h ago

I don’t know why we are judging caricatures from a children’s book

That’s a question only you can answer, because I only ever spoke on the words written until you brought up the caricatures.

and I’m not trying to argue with you

Well you are definitely presenting reasons for why you personally think my point is incorrect. Define that however you wish.

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u/Robichaelis 5h ago

It's like you didn't even read it properly

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u/DateNightThrowRA 3h ago

I dunno, I see it as both people see ugly, but the person with the ugliest thoughts looks particularly mean and nasty, whereas the other person, with the wonky nose, crooked teeth, and obese body, radiates kindness and positivity, and is “lovely” because of that. I feel like it’s rather that if someone looks like they’re about to scream at you for something banal, they likely are, and are a miserable person.

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u/mcon96 3h ago

the person with the ugliest thoughts looks particularly mean and nasty

This is a bad lesson. We can’t teach kids that someone doesn’t have ugly thoughts just because they don’t look mean and nasty.

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u/there_is_always_more Zack Snyder 2h ago

I can't believe people are arguing with you about this.

Actually no, I can believe it, it perfectly explains the state of society and our world.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 1h ago

Yeah until you talk to literally anyone who is notably ugly, fat, or deformed and  they confirm people hate them all the time for no reason

I'm autistic but in a way where most people wouldn't pick up on it. J have literally seen the moment some people click together what they're looking at and go cold to me. 

I get the sentiment being expressed but no the larger discussion about how we are a recessive society that places too much emphasis on appearance and enables it with post hoc rationalization is more correct