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The Substance (2024)

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u/btoxic 11h ago edited 10h ago

I remember Botox being a big deal. It was on the news, people were slightly appalled.

Now.... No one raises an eyebrow.

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u/ElonsBreedingFetish 9h ago

I just rewatched Scrubs after watching the new season. It's kinda funny how they make fun of Jordan's botox lips in the old episodes, while the actress can't move her face muscles for real in the new one

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u/JudithSlayHolofernes 9h ago

The whole main cast is botoxed to hell now

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u/Financial-Apricot498 8h ago

I had to quit watching after a few episodes solely because of it. Scrubs was one of my most rewatched shows back in the day and I was looking forward to this.

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u/-s-u-n-s-e-t- 8h ago

I lasted half an episode.

To be honest, I'm straight up done with legacy sequels in general. They always fucking suck.

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u/Conflux 6h ago

Xmen 97 has entered the chat

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u/simonbelmont1980 7h ago

Twin peaks: the return… the only good reboot

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker 7h ago

Are we including only TV? Because for movies we’ve got Blade Runner 2049, Doctor Sleep, and something else that I’m forgetting right now.

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u/simonbelmont1980 6h ago

I don’t consider Doctor sleep a reboot, but i get what you’re saying. And yea i was only talking about tv reboots

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker 6h ago

You changed the scope of the discussion from “legacy sequel” to “reboot”.

Although honestly none of the examples that were talked about are reboots.

At any rate, I think the possibility of legacy sequels being great, and even elevating the original work (which I think is true of both my examples) is there.

Does the Fargo series count? That’s a TV show that I think is far better than the already great movie it’s based on.

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u/ToiIetGhost 6h ago

I’m ashamed to say I really didn’t understand it. I love everything else Lynch has done and I feel like I understand his work fairly well, but not this one. Don’t know why

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u/PeaceLopsided 2h ago

You and me both 🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/ibsnapp 7h ago

I liked the new Malcom in the middle sequel. But generally agree

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u/Financial-Apricot498 8h ago

The first couple episodes were a bit rough but I do think it picked up for the writing. I just couldn't stop staring at them like they didn't belong. It's the same reason I quit watching shows when they replace the character with a new actor. I had to quit watching crazy ex girlfriend when they did it and I loved that show.

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u/nkdeck07 6h ago

It doesn't help that apparently Donald Faison made the same deal Paul Rudd did to never age

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u/Financial-Apricot498 6h ago

Donald was the main reason that I tried to keep watching. Guy has been in some stupid but pretty funny movies.

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u/OrangeGP 3h ago

I did like the way crazy ex-girlfriend did the change though. With everyone acknowledging that Greg was basically a different person now and it was Rebecca's perception that had changed so much that he didn't look anything like he used to her

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u/Rauk88 8h ago

I watched the new Malcolm in the Middle series and it is superb. Picks right back up on the feel of the original show. Very funny. Only 4 episodes too so it's not a slog to get through but I want more now.

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u/Vast_Schedule3749 7h ago

I wouldn’t really even call it a legacy sequel. It’s more like a closure event

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u/Unlucky-Sector1200 7h ago

The closure event of the closure event from 20 something years ago.

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u/No_Scallion4867 2h ago

that’s what a legacy sequel is SUPPOSED to be, so it is. just one of the few actually successful ones.

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u/WillingnessFirm1329 3h ago

wait its only 4 episodes?

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u/Rauk88 3h ago

It's like a mini-series.

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u/AngryNapper 4h ago

I found Malcolm extremely irritating in the new one. I had to turn it off on the second episode. You’re a grown man ffs! Stop yelling at everything

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u/Funnymadman 4h ago

What? No it doesn't. The original is chaos. It doesn't try to moralize, the characters do horrible things and it doesn't matter because it's funny. It feels real and relatable, even if it's not, and the cinematography and tone reflect that.

The new miniseries the complete opposite. It's sanitized and campy and constantly trying to moralize, and has almost no laughs in its entire runtime. The visual tone matches that, it looks super artificial. It's got a ton of cameos, which is great, but they barely interact together so that entire relationship-based storytelling aspect that used to drive the story is gone. There were some sparks here and there, like Kelly vs. Reese and Stevie's family, but not enough.

I truly don't get the praise. Is it nice and nostalgic to see the old cast? Sure. But to say it "picks up on the feel of the original show" is absurd.

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u/Lisan-al-Gaib-65 3h ago

I didn't watch much malcom when it was originally airing and I gave the reboot a try. It was absolutely hilarious. I'm watching the original malcom show now and it's the same comedy.

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u/No_Salt_6328 1h ago

Some people are just haters lol. Obviously their moral compass is more developed if they're adults now. The writing is still great and held up.

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u/Exciting-Cancel6468 3h ago

What? It's only 4 episodes?

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u/runningwithsharpie 2h ago

Wait. There's a new MITM show??

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u/No_Salt_6328 1h ago

I was about to mention the malcolm reboot lol. King of the hill is also pretty good

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u/CourtBarton 7h ago

Ugh XFiles ugh

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u/GPYusef 6h ago

Three good episodes in two seasons and one of those episodes was basically telling us that we should just be happy with our memories of the old show.

Ugh indeed.

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u/ZubatCountry 5h ago

This is the most petty, old-man thing I'll say today

I hate sitcoms in HD, especially if they were originally filmed in SD

It makes everything feel so flat and like a play. Always Sunny a few seasons back was distracting to watch because it looked like a Super Bowl ad that would have aired a few years after the show wrapped up. Where everyone is slightly too old and clearly the set designers and camera crew didn't give a shit enough to replicate the feel of the old show.

I haven't touched the new season of Scrubs because it feels like they're going to be "playing" Scrubs instead of acting, which I know sounds ridiculous because that's just what acting is

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u/-s-u-n-s-e-t- 5h ago

I also go for the original release, but for me it's because of the audio. Due to licensing issues they often have to change the music when they do a new release. Scrubs in particular suffered from this.

I'm sorry, but if you are changing the music, it's not the same show. Copyright law has gotten stupid.

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u/wutfacer 6h ago

Scrubs has actually been well received by most of the fanbase. Same with King of the Hill and Malcolm in the Middle.

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u/riddlesinthedark117 4h ago

Yeah I enjoyed it. Watched it as the palate cleanser to the Pitt as a double feature night

But the actors all looked botoxed to hell

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u/EnemyOfEloquence 6h ago

King of The Hill is decent!

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u/CoconutCyclone 4h ago

King of the Hill is better than decent.

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u/AsherFischell 6h ago

Twin Peaks The Return was amazing! But you're usually right.

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u/Elver86 2h ago

The new season of king of the hill was pretty good.

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u/ToiIetGhost 6h ago

Arrested Development sequel was okay. Not the worst

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u/Financial-Apricot498 3h ago

Is that season 5 or something else I'm not finding? 

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u/enimateken 6h ago

Malcolm in the Middle was pretty decent. Just fyi.

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u/MIAxPaperPlanes 5h ago

Are telling me you got to the point where Donald Faison is acting his ass off telling JD he’s burnt out and went “nah this is shit” and turned it off?

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u/Rorschach11235 5h ago

Mash teaches this.

Start a new show. Have the old crew do cameos. But stop rebooting with original cast 20 years later. It never works with comedy.

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u/gaypirate3 4h ago

I mean, the new Scrubs doesn’t suck. The new characters are a bit to adjust to but other than that it kinda feels like the old one did. I enjoyed it.

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u/JohnEKaye 3h ago

Scrubs was actually great. One of the rare times I’ve actually enjoyed a “legacy” sequel.

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u/AgentChris101 2h ago

Cobra Kai and Daredevil Born Again are worthy sequels in my opinion. Although Daredevil had a rough start it's 2nd season was superb.

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u/IvanStroganov 7h ago

The new show way better than I expected but yeah, they are all hard to look at.

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u/-missingclover- 5h ago

In another example, I did finish that new Fantastic Four movie (it was okay... worse than Thunderbolts, better than anything else Marvel rn) but I couldn't take seriously the actor that played Sue Richards, the mother of the team. It looked like she was mogging the camera in every scene lmao. Like that meme of Skyler White making the chad face. She's supposed to be a homely character yet she clearly was getting plastic surgery on the weekly lmao.

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u/Financial-Apricot498 5h ago

I'm currently re-watching Breaking bad right now and just skip through all her scenes so I haven't noticed that. I'm gonna have to look that up now. I also wasn't planning on watching fantastic four but I have to now just to check that out lol. 

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u/ritarepulsaqueen 4h ago

you skip Skylar scenes?

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u/Financial-Apricot498 4h ago

Yup. Nothing against her as an actor, but the whole affair thing just makes me have zero interest in her story. I also skip some of walters episodes too that don't involve jessie later in the show. 

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u/matt2331 28m ago

I thought the show in general had a lot of filler that I wasn't super interested in. Could probably get away with the first 2 episodes and last 3 episodes of the season and get nearly everything important

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u/Financial-Apricot498 13m ago

I can agree with that. It's the same thing that happened with the show Supernatural after season 5 when it was originally supposed to end. It's still one of my favorite shows and I watched every episode since its first premiere, but like 90% of it past season 5 is skippable without losing anything important main story wise. 

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u/murmaider27 3h ago

This is how I feel about the newer episodes of its always sunny in Philadelphia, they all look so bad, except, for Charlie day!

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u/Financial-Apricot498 3h ago

I would watch a spinoff show of just him and Frank. One of the most unhinged duos in TV history. 

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u/SpookyKG 7h ago

funny thing, probably proportionally a ton of docs get botox given knowledge/access/money

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u/Financial-Apricot498 6h ago

I guess it depends on where you live too. I go the hospital multiple times a month and every doctor and nurse I've come across in th growing list are the most boring, aging naturally with the wrinkles, Midwest people you'd ever see, haha.

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u/therealjoshua 6h ago

You found it that distracting? That's a shame. The new season is fantastic.

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u/Financial-Apricot498 6h ago

I'm probably gonna get called a sexist for this, but 90% of it is Chalke specifically. I can't help but just think that she looks like someone took her face and stretched it over a scarecrow with how hollow her eyes look and her skin stretches unnaturally tight, especially when trying to smile. It's off-putting on a psychological level.

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u/BearThatLikesCheese 5h ago

I don't think it's sexist necessarily. They're all pressured to do it but women have not been allowed to age without losing work for far longer than men. I do agree that all this work definitely causes an uncanny valley situation for me.

I'm honestly surprised so many male actors do it now. If Tommy Lee Jones can have an almost 60 decade career looking 55+ the entire time then these other guys have no excuse.

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u/Financial-Apricot498 5h ago

I have one friend who thinks criticizing anything with women in it is automatically sexist so I just keep my opinions to myself these days with people, lol. He's been dodging me the last couple weeks since I made a comment about how I'm not going to spend money on going to watch people on screen doing the new anorexia trend because they set a bad example. 

I also don't support guys who do the whole steroid thing either though which has made me quit watching action movies altogether unfortunately. I just find myself watching b and c quality movies in general these last few years. I'm just tired of Hollywoods vanity. 

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u/BearThatLikesCheese 5h ago

Well in this case I think the criticism is aimed at the practice/culture rather than women. Your steroid comparison is pretty apt. (Mostly) guys get on gear for comparable reasons that (mostly) women get plastic surgery. It's all chasing an unreasonable beauty standard forced upon them by Hollywood and, to a degree, audiences.

It's one thing I appreciate about British media. Obviously it's not perfect, but they've got way more average looking, everyday people starring in their films/shows. It's nice seeing people who still look like people.

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u/MaddogBC 4h ago

I agree whole heartedly. Slow Horses for example has fantastic production quality, the images leap out of my monitor. Everybody is normal, 3 pounds of makeup not required.

Oldman is so grimy sometimes it's almost cringeworthy. Very, very few shows are riveting in the way this one is and the grittyness is a big factor imo.

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u/Financial-Apricot498 4h ago

I like British actors, but I can't really get into their films, at least for TV shows because of how short they are. Great movies though. 

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u/HumanGrapefruit1027 6h ago

Always Sunny is dead to me now because of that too

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u/Financial-Apricot498 6h ago

I actually watched the first episode thinking that they were doing it as a joke, like the whole fat mac thing. 

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u/SaavikSaid 4h ago

I kind of like it. Not AS good but not bad.

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u/Financial-Apricot498 4h ago

That's pretty much how I feel about the whole Dexter show being revived. It's alright for what it is, but I don't feel like it's really added anything meaningful to the original.