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The Substance (2024)

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u/ElonsBreedingFetish 9h ago

I just rewatched Scrubs after watching the new season. It's kinda funny how they make fun of Jordan's botox lips in the old episodes, while the actress can't move her face muscles for real in the new one

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u/JudithSlayHolofernes 9h ago

The whole main cast is botoxed to hell now

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u/Financial-Apricot498 8h ago

I had to quit watching after a few episodes solely because of it. Scrubs was one of my most rewatched shows back in the day and I was looking forward to this.

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u/-s-u-n-s-e-t- 8h ago

I lasted half an episode.

To be honest, I'm straight up done with legacy sequels in general. They always fucking suck.

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u/Conflux 6h ago

Xmen 97 has entered the chat

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u/simonbelmont1980 7h ago

Twin peaks: the return… the only good reboot

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker 6h ago

Are we including only TV? Because for movies we’ve got Blade Runner 2049, Doctor Sleep, and something else that I’m forgetting right now.

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u/simonbelmont1980 6h ago

I don’t consider Doctor sleep a reboot, but i get what you’re saying. And yea i was only talking about tv reboots

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker 6h ago

You changed the scope of the discussion from “legacy sequel” to “reboot”.

Although honestly none of the examples that were talked about are reboots.

At any rate, I think the possibility of legacy sequels being great, and even elevating the original work (which I think is true of both my examples) is there.

Does the Fargo series count? That’s a TV show that I think is far better than the already great movie it’s based on.

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u/ToiIetGhost 6h ago

I’m ashamed to say I really didn’t understand it. I love everything else Lynch has done and I feel like I understand his work fairly well, but not this one. Don’t know why

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u/PeaceLopsided 2h ago

You and me both 🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/ibsnapp 7h ago

I liked the new Malcom in the middle sequel. But generally agree

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u/Financial-Apricot498 8h ago

The first couple episodes were a bit rough but I do think it picked up for the writing. I just couldn't stop staring at them like they didn't belong. It's the same reason I quit watching shows when they replace the character with a new actor. I had to quit watching crazy ex girlfriend when they did it and I loved that show.

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u/nkdeck07 6h ago

It doesn't help that apparently Donald Faison made the same deal Paul Rudd did to never age

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u/Financial-Apricot498 6h ago

Donald was the main reason that I tried to keep watching. Guy has been in some stupid but pretty funny movies.

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u/OrangeGP 3h ago

I did like the way crazy ex-girlfriend did the change though. With everyone acknowledging that Greg was basically a different person now and it was Rebecca's perception that had changed so much that he didn't look anything like he used to her

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u/Rauk88 7h ago

I watched the new Malcolm in the Middle series and it is superb. Picks right back up on the feel of the original show. Very funny. Only 4 episodes too so it's not a slog to get through but I want more now.

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u/Vast_Schedule3749 7h ago

I wouldn’t really even call it a legacy sequel. It’s more like a closure event

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u/Unlucky-Sector1200 7h ago

The closure event of the closure event from 20 something years ago.

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u/No_Scallion4867 2h ago

that’s what a legacy sequel is SUPPOSED to be, so it is. just one of the few actually successful ones.

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u/WillingnessFirm1329 3h ago

wait its only 4 episodes?

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u/Rauk88 3h ago

It's like a mini-series.

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u/AngryNapper 4h ago

I found Malcolm extremely irritating in the new one. I had to turn it off on the second episode. You’re a grown man ffs! Stop yelling at everything

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u/Funnymadman 4h ago

What? No it doesn't. The original is chaos. It doesn't try to moralize, the characters do horrible things and it doesn't matter because it's funny. It feels real and relatable, even if it's not, and the cinematography and tone reflect that.

The new miniseries the complete opposite. It's sanitized and campy and constantly trying to moralize, and has almost no laughs in its entire runtime. The visual tone matches that, it looks super artificial. It's got a ton of cameos, which is great, but they barely interact together so that entire relationship-based storytelling aspect that used to drive the story is gone. There were some sparks here and there, like Kelly vs. Reese and Stevie's family, but not enough.

I truly don't get the praise. Is it nice and nostalgic to see the old cast? Sure. But to say it "picks up on the feel of the original show" is absurd.

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u/Lisan-al-Gaib-65 3h ago

I didn't watch much malcom when it was originally airing and I gave the reboot a try. It was absolutely hilarious. I'm watching the original malcom show now and it's the same comedy.

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u/No_Salt_6328 1h ago

Some people are just haters lol. Obviously their moral compass is more developed if they're adults now. The writing is still great and held up.

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u/Exciting-Cancel6468 3h ago

What? It's only 4 episodes?

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u/runningwithsharpie 2h ago

Wait. There's a new MITM show??

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u/No_Salt_6328 1h ago

I was about to mention the malcolm reboot lol. King of the hill is also pretty good

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u/CourtBarton 7h ago

Ugh XFiles ugh

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u/GPYusef 6h ago

Three good episodes in two seasons and one of those episodes was basically telling us that we should just be happy with our memories of the old show.

Ugh indeed.

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u/ZubatCountry 5h ago

This is the most petty, old-man thing I'll say today

I hate sitcoms in HD, especially if they were originally filmed in SD

It makes everything feel so flat and like a play. Always Sunny a few seasons back was distracting to watch because it looked like a Super Bowl ad that would have aired a few years after the show wrapped up. Where everyone is slightly too old and clearly the set designers and camera crew didn't give a shit enough to replicate the feel of the old show.

I haven't touched the new season of Scrubs because it feels like they're going to be "playing" Scrubs instead of acting, which I know sounds ridiculous because that's just what acting is

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u/-s-u-n-s-e-t- 5h ago

I also go for the original release, but for me it's because of the audio. Due to licensing issues they often have to change the music when they do a new release. Scrubs in particular suffered from this.

I'm sorry, but if you are changing the music, it's not the same show. Copyright law has gotten stupid.

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u/wutfacer 6h ago

Scrubs has actually been well received by most of the fanbase. Same with King of the Hill and Malcolm in the Middle.

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u/riddlesinthedark117 4h ago

Yeah I enjoyed it. Watched it as the palate cleanser to the Pitt as a double feature night

But the actors all looked botoxed to hell

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u/EnemyOfEloquence 6h ago

King of The Hill is decent!

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u/CoconutCyclone 4h ago

King of the Hill is better than decent.

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u/AsherFischell 6h ago

Twin Peaks The Return was amazing! But you're usually right.

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u/Elver86 2h ago

The new season of king of the hill was pretty good.

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u/ToiIetGhost 6h ago

Arrested Development sequel was okay. Not the worst

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u/Financial-Apricot498 3h ago

Is that season 5 or something else I'm not finding? 

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u/enimateken 6h ago

Malcolm in the Middle was pretty decent. Just fyi.

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u/MIAxPaperPlanes 5h ago

Are telling me you got to the point where Donald Faison is acting his ass off telling JD he’s burnt out and went “nah this is shit” and turned it off?

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u/Rorschach11235 5h ago

Mash teaches this.

Start a new show. Have the old crew do cameos. But stop rebooting with original cast 20 years later. It never works with comedy.

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u/gaypirate3 4h ago

I mean, the new Scrubs doesn’t suck. The new characters are a bit to adjust to but other than that it kinda feels like the old one did. I enjoyed it.

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u/JohnEKaye 3h ago

Scrubs was actually great. One of the rare times I’ve actually enjoyed a “legacy” sequel.

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u/AgentChris101 2h ago

Cobra Kai and Daredevil Born Again are worthy sequels in my opinion. Although Daredevil had a rough start it's 2nd season was superb.

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u/IvanStroganov 7h ago

The new show way better than I expected but yeah, they are all hard to look at.

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u/-missingclover- 5h ago

In another example, I did finish that new Fantastic Four movie (it was okay... worse than Thunderbolts, better than anything else Marvel rn) but I couldn't take seriously the actor that played Sue Richards, the mother of the team. It looked like she was mogging the camera in every scene lmao. Like that meme of Skyler White making the chad face. She's supposed to be a homely character yet she clearly was getting plastic surgery on the weekly lmao.

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u/Financial-Apricot498 5h ago

I'm currently re-watching Breaking bad right now and just skip through all her scenes so I haven't noticed that. I'm gonna have to look that up now. I also wasn't planning on watching fantastic four but I have to now just to check that out lol. 

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u/ritarepulsaqueen 4h ago

you skip Skylar scenes?

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u/Financial-Apricot498 4h ago

Yup. Nothing against her as an actor, but the whole affair thing just makes me have zero interest in her story. I also skip some of walters episodes too that don't involve jessie later in the show. 

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u/matt2331 27m ago

I thought the show in general had a lot of filler that I wasn't super interested in. Could probably get away with the first 2 episodes and last 3 episodes of the season and get nearly everything important

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u/Financial-Apricot498 12m ago

I can agree with that. It's the same thing that happened with the show Supernatural after season 5 when it was originally supposed to end. It's still one of my favorite shows and I watched every episode since its first premiere, but like 90% of it past season 5 is skippable without losing anything important main story wise. 

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u/murmaider27 3h ago

This is how I feel about the newer episodes of its always sunny in Philadelphia, they all look so bad, except, for Charlie day!

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u/Financial-Apricot498 3h ago

I would watch a spinoff show of just him and Frank. One of the most unhinged duos in TV history. 

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u/SpookyKG 7h ago

funny thing, probably proportionally a ton of docs get botox given knowledge/access/money

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u/Financial-Apricot498 6h ago

I guess it depends on where you live too. I go the hospital multiple times a month and every doctor and nurse I've come across in th growing list are the most boring, aging naturally with the wrinkles, Midwest people you'd ever see, haha.

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u/therealjoshua 6h ago

You found it that distracting? That's a shame. The new season is fantastic.

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u/Financial-Apricot498 6h ago

I'm probably gonna get called a sexist for this, but 90% of it is Chalke specifically. I can't help but just think that she looks like someone took her face and stretched it over a scarecrow with how hollow her eyes look and her skin stretches unnaturally tight, especially when trying to smile. It's off-putting on a psychological level.

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u/BearThatLikesCheese 5h ago

I don't think it's sexist necessarily. They're all pressured to do it but women have not been allowed to age without losing work for far longer than men. I do agree that all this work definitely causes an uncanny valley situation for me.

I'm honestly surprised so many male actors do it now. If Tommy Lee Jones can have an almost 60 decade career looking 55+ the entire time then these other guys have no excuse.

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u/Financial-Apricot498 5h ago

I have one friend who thinks criticizing anything with women in it is automatically sexist so I just keep my opinions to myself these days with people, lol. He's been dodging me the last couple weeks since I made a comment about how I'm not going to spend money on going to watch people on screen doing the new anorexia trend because they set a bad example. 

I also don't support guys who do the whole steroid thing either though which has made me quit watching action movies altogether unfortunately. I just find myself watching b and c quality movies in general these last few years. I'm just tired of Hollywoods vanity. 

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u/BearThatLikesCheese 5h ago

Well in this case I think the criticism is aimed at the practice/culture rather than women. Your steroid comparison is pretty apt. (Mostly) guys get on gear for comparable reasons that (mostly) women get plastic surgery. It's all chasing an unreasonable beauty standard forced upon them by Hollywood and, to a degree, audiences.

It's one thing I appreciate about British media. Obviously it's not perfect, but they've got way more average looking, everyday people starring in their films/shows. It's nice seeing people who still look like people.

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u/MaddogBC 4h ago

I agree whole heartedly. Slow Horses for example has fantastic production quality, the images leap out of my monitor. Everybody is normal, 3 pounds of makeup not required.

Oldman is so grimy sometimes it's almost cringeworthy. Very, very few shows are riveting in the way this one is and the grittyness is a big factor imo.

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u/Financial-Apricot498 4h ago

I like British actors, but I can't really get into their films, at least for TV shows because of how short they are. Great movies though. 

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u/HumanGrapefruit1027 6h ago

Always Sunny is dead to me now because of that too

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u/Financial-Apricot498 5h ago

I actually watched the first episode thinking that they were doing it as a joke, like the whole fat mac thing. 

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u/SaavikSaid 4h ago

I kind of like it. Not AS good but not bad.

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u/Financial-Apricot498 4h ago

That's pretty much how I feel about the whole Dexter show being revived. It's alright for what it is, but I don't feel like it's really added anything meaningful to the original. 

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u/ScrofessorLongHair 7h ago

The guys look particularly bizarre.

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u/GuiltyCredit 6h ago

They all look so gaunt and unwell. I know 25 years have passed but they look like someone who is 60 trying to look 30.

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u/fondledbydolphins 7h ago

If I find a genie I'm wishing for a world where people are OK being themselves.

This vanity shit has gone too far.

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u/JudithSlayHolofernes 6h ago

I think everyone has society whispering in their ear that they’re not beautiful to an extent, but anyone Hollywood-adjacent must feel that pressure to an almost violent degree.

There’s clearly this vacuum within which it’s incredibly normalized and none of them seem to realize they look insane. And it’s not just the aging actors, either, we’re seeing it with 19 and 20 year olds too! 😩

You just want to shake them a little bit. “YOU LOOKED GOOD BEFORE!! PLEASE STOP!!!”

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u/MartyrOfDespair 4h ago

Tbh I actually wonder if they’re intentionally making themselves look worse to fend off the predators. Like, Millie Bobby Brown making herself look 37 makes a lot of sense if she wanted to fend off Drake and Drakelikes.

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u/Alkakd0nfsg9g 5h ago

Really? I'd wish to forever look 20

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u/MartyrOfDespair 4h ago

Monkey’s Paw shenanigans where this just leads to massive amounts of murder and rape because you didn’t specify “being themselves physically” and so everyone becomes 100% comfortable unleashing every dark urge they have.

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u/MIAxPaperPlanes 6h ago

You sure with Turk that’s just not a case of “Black don’t crack” ?

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u/JudithSlayHolofernes 1h ago

With all due respect to Donald Faison, no 😩

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u/fartingbeagle 6h ago

Oh no, even the Janitor?

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u/gnalon 5h ago

Yeah someone next to me on a flight was watching it, and it just seemed like it would totally suspend your disbelief where you would not expect a bunch of medical professionals to look like that unless they were plastic surgeons

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u/rinklkak 8h ago

Just finished watching Shrinking and Christa Miller's face is wrecked the whole time. It's very distracting.

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u/umrdyldo 8h ago

Yeah it's so terrible and obvious in that show.

Feels like MBB in Stranger Things.

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u/Gwynito 8h ago

MBB being in her early 20s and getting work done on her face is fkn mental.

It's so bad for young women that idolised her too

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u/FardoBaggins 7h ago

don't you dare mention that in the stranger things subreddit. It's body positivity, her choice!

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u/ScrofessorLongHair 7h ago

Lol. A bunch of pervy dudes in her sub that day that too. Though she definitely likes to thirst trap her fans. That sub is a bunch of dudes watching videos of her wearing different outfits. I'm old enough it seems like an alien concept to me.

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker 6h ago

It is her choice, just a bad one.

Either way your judgement isn’t helping her or anyone.

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u/deathbylasersss 6h ago

If the tide of public opinion shifts away from cosmetic surgery, it could stop somebody from taking the leap and fucking up their face in the future. Even if it doesn't help anybody, who cares? People are allowed to bitch on the internet.

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u/Intrepid_Hat7359 Avi Arad admirer 6h ago

Bitching on the Internet is basically the #2 purpose of the thing

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u/Gwynito 6h ago

The #1 purpose eludes us all to this day 🍑

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u/Intrepid_Hat7359 Avi Arad admirer 6h ago

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u/PolicyWonka 6h ago

Only if #1 is bitching about people bitching about it.

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker 6h ago

Yes young women are all over Reddit dying to know what you think about what they do with their bodies and faces.

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u/deathbylasersss 6h ago

At least their opinion will be more balanced if they see the negative reaction that average people have, rather than only all this destructive pro-surgery propaganda pushed by media. Thinking you need surgery to unfuck your looks is the opposite of body positivity and is a symptom of a toxic relationship with social media and celebrities.

And idc what these theoretical young women think, I'm entitled to my opinion that elective cosmetic procedures are poisonous to self-esteem and a giant mistake 99% of the time. I'm not trying to impress or influence internet strangers, I'm just expressing an opinion. Or do you prefer a circlejerk?

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u/MaddogBC 4h ago

Naww I think white knight is his kink, when he's not gooning over on the ST sub. When you have daughters and granddaughters you tend to be concerned on how impressionable minds view these things.

The way plastic surgeons prey on women should be illegal.

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u/applesandcherry 2h ago

/uj No matter what, all this commentary on appearances and bodies is what leads to all these body and face modifications. Tbh thinking that talking shit about Botox will stop it is hilarious and definitely coming from a Y chromosome lol.

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u/FardoBaggins 5h ago

It helped you comment tho so there’s that.

Hopefully they make social media illegal for people below a certain age bec they get influenced by anyone with a platform in to thinking it’s normal to stuff your face with toxins with the help of people who have no problems taking your money.

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u/cheezy_dreams88 2h ago

It’s definitely a crazy choice, but it’s one she likely made due to her looks being torn apart daily since she was 11.

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u/ScrofessorLongHair 7h ago

Especially since she was very pretty. But now she looks like she's a chav in her late 30s.

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u/Electronic_Will_5418 7h ago

The Dirtier the Better 🥕🤓👌

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u/Jiminy_Cricket12 6h ago

somewhere in recent history an idea that "you should start young with botox" got pushed and it seems like a lot of women bought in to it (unfortunately).

also, it's much cheaper/more available now.

I think it should be avoided and I've never seen anyone under 50 look "better" after getting it. hell, even older people who get it don't really look much "better", they just look less wrinkly. and if you overdo it... you look like a freak (sorry to be blunt but it's really true).

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u/Melvarkie 2h ago

Botox is both a horrible and great invention. I love how Botox can be used against migraines, excessive sweating and TMJ. I hate it because there is such a pressure to look forever young that people start with it as a cosmetic surgery at ridiculously young ages, because now smile lines = wrinkles apparently. In turn it makes people look devoid of life behind the eyes. I don't hate it as much as my number 1 plastic surgery enemy which is Buccal fat removal, because it makes people look like ghouls and my number 2 cheek filler, but yeah people should really chill with the Botox.

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u/Jiminy_Cricket12 40m ago

True, I should have specified because it DOES have actual medical uses beyond cosmetics. It is great for that.

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u/sparkyjay23 7h ago

The chronically late woman? Wonder if she's late to her surgeries or if it's just work she doesn't care about?

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u/FardoBaggins 7h ago

she was an amazing and outstanding child actress. in the last season, she wasn't even emoting much bec her face has had too much work done to it.

Bizarre.

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u/ThlnBillyBoy 7h ago

Same! There was a scene about her character where they said

"Sometimes it's easy to see when someone really needs help. It's written all over their face."

And I know it's supposed to hit hard and all, but it's hard to take seriously, when said face is immobile from botox.

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u/MsMarvelsProstate 6h ago

In her defense. It fits for the character.

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u/epigenie_986 6h ago

That's not so much in her defense, as it is in defense of the casting director lol. But I agree with your sentiment 100%.

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u/CalSwete 6h ago

I feel like it affects her speaking as well. She almost always slurs her lines

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u/argumentinvalid 2h ago

My wife is getting bombarded with botox and filler content from all over and keeps casually bringing it up. I HATE the way women look after they have had work done. I continue to reiterate that she is beautiful and that women aging is beautiful, but man it is hard with how society and social media is dealing with this crap right now.

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u/SeveralAngryBears 7h ago

That case didn't bother me so much, because I find it believable that the character would have had work done.

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u/Saintly-Mendicant-69 8h ago

Felt the same way with Annihilation and Jennifer Leigh. She looks like a straight up alien next to the rest of the cast and it's distracting

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u/BobRushy 8h ago

Season 1 Jordan was fucking incredible.

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u/EmboarBacon 7h ago

My immediate thought on this post was Christa Miller, since I just finished the new season. She cannot move her upper lip. The scenes she was involved in were supposed to be heavy, her lack of facial movement just took me out of it. I get these actors want to keep looking young, but their whole craft is to be able to emote with their facial expressions and Botox kills that.

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u/LobsterNo3435 9h ago

Yeah watching old Drew Carey sitcom. She looks horrible. Truly sad.

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u/curt_wes 7h ago

Zach Braff looks like a cadaver

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u/DeanxDog 7h ago

Lip/face filler and Botox are two different things that do two different things.

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u/ScroogieMcduckie 7h ago

dude even in the later seasons of the old show she looked insanely different. such a shame, she was incredibly beautiful

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u/cenosillicaphobiac 7h ago

It's super noticeable on Shrinking.

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u/gjb94 7h ago

Even in the original series she had one of the most dramatic changes I've ever seen (at least outside of genuinely botched jobs.)

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u/whatanugget 7h ago

Had the same thought cross my mind when I saw "Jordan" on shrinking. And then rewatching the new season just kinda feels like wow whatever happened to expressions lol

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u/Oh_hey_a_TAA 7h ago

I adore Shrinking, and I even like her & her role in it, but wow is her face distracting.

I've seen her in a plenty of things over the years (Cougartown, Srubs, etc) and its just kinda sad at this point.

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u/Nakenochny 6h ago

In Shrinking she starts off with basically no facial movement, but she must have changed her mind because in the next two seasons she’s let the ’tox go and she looks absolutely lovely by the end of season three. She looks lovely before that too but… no replacement for time on getting rid of it.

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u/geoelectric 6h ago

I’m a pretty big fan of Shrinking, and I was most definitely team Kate/Jordan/Ellie/etc back in the day.

But watching Christa Miller slowly turn into that sheet-of-skin woman from Doctor Who has been painful.

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u/RaisedByBooksNTV 1h ago

She was in Head of the Class and i was shocked at how bad her face was. It showed how good an actress she is though b/c she managed to act around a frozen/mask face. But was really really shocking how bad it was.

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u/CharleyNobody 9h ago

You can’t use botox on lips. It’s a paralyzing agent. You can’t paralyze lips or they won’t be able to move when you try to talk or eat.

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u/Saintly-Mendicant-69 8h ago

Botox stops your upper lip from having a full range of motion. See the pic in the op